Question about 4-vectors/tensors from a complete novice

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In summary, the conversation discusses the distinction between an expression like A^\nu A_\mu and one that looks like A^\mu A_\mu. The difference is that the former is a tensor while the latter is a scalar, due to the use of the Einstein summation convention on repeated indices. The speaker also expresses regret for not recognizing this sooner.
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Is any distinction made between an expression like [itex]A^\nu A_\mu[/itex] and one that looks like [itex]A^\mu A_\mu[/itex]? I can justify something like this to myself through some vague hand-waving and mention of a phrase like "just dummy indices," but this isn't convincing even to me...and I'm making the argument!

If the context matters, tell me, and I'll provide some. Thanks!
 
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Is any distinction made between an expression like [itex]A^\nu A_\mu[/itex] and one that looks like [itex]A^\mu A_\mu[/itex]?

The Einstein summation convention is invoked on repeated indices, so the difference is that A^u A_v is a tensor, but [tex]A^u A_u=\sum_u A^uA_u[/tex] which is a scalar.
 
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The Einstein summation convention is invoked on repeated indices, so the difference is that A^u A_v is a tensor, but [tex]A^u A_u=\sum_u A^uA_u[/tex] which is a scalar.
cristo: Thank you. Of course. I should have known that. I could have saved both of us time and effort if I'd recognized it. Guess that's what happens when you don't really know what you're doing.
 

FAQ: Question about 4-vectors/tensors from a complete novice

1. What is a 4-vector/tensor?

A 4-vector/tensor is a mathematical object that is used to describe quantities in four-dimensional space-time. It is a combination of four components, each representing a different physical quantity. 4-vectors/tensors are important in physics, particularly in the theory of relativity.

How is a 4-vector/tensor different from a regular vector?

A regular vector has three components that represent quantities in three-dimensional space, while a 4-vector/tensor has four components that represent quantities in four-dimensional space-time. Additionally, a 4-vector/tensor has the ability to rotate and transform in different ways, making it more versatile than a regular vector.

What are some examples of 4-vectors/tensors?

Some examples of 4-vectors/tensors include position, velocity, momentum, and energy. In special relativity, the 4-vector/tensor that combines space and time is called the spacetime 4-vector/tensor.

How are 4-vectors/tensors used in physics?

4-vectors/tensors are used in physics to describe physical quantities in four-dimensional space-time, particularly in the theory of relativity. They are also used in fields such as electromagnetism, quantum mechanics, and thermodynamics to describe and analyze various physical phenomena.

Can you give an example of how 4-vectors/tensors are used in a real-life scenario?

One example of how 4-vectors/tensors are used in a real-life scenario is in GPS technology. The GPS system uses four satellites to determine the position of a receiver on Earth. Each satellite transmits a signal with information about its position and the time it was sent. By using 4-vectors/tensors, the receiver can calculate its own position in four-dimensional space-time and accurately determine its location on Earth.

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