Question about 4-vectors/tensors from a complete novice

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The discussion clarifies the distinction between the expressions A^\nu A_\mu and A^\mu A_\mu in the context of tensors. It explains that A^\nu A_\mu represents a tensor, while A^\mu A_\mu results in a scalar due to the Einstein summation convention applied to repeated indices. The conversation highlights the importance of understanding this convention for interpreting tensor expressions correctly. Acknowledgment of the confusion surrounding these concepts illustrates the learning process involved in grasping tensor mathematics. Understanding these distinctions is crucial for anyone studying tensors and their applications.
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Is any distinction made between an expression like A^\nu A_\mu and one that looks like A^\mu A_\mu? I can justify something like this to myself through some vague hand-waving and mention of a phrase like "just dummy indices," but this isn't convincing even to me...and I'm making the argument!

If the context matters, tell me, and I'll provide some. Thanks!
 
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AxiomOfChoice said:
Is any distinction made between an expression like A^\nu A_\mu and one that looks like A^\mu A_\mu?

The Einstein summation convention is invoked on repeated indices, so the difference is that A^u A_v is a tensor, but A^u A_u=\sum_u A^uA_u which is a scalar.
 
cristo said:
The Einstein summation convention is invoked on repeated indices, so the difference is that A^u A_v is a tensor, but A^u A_u=\sum_u A^uA_u which is a scalar.
cristo: Thank you. Of course. I should have known that. I could have saved both of us time and effort if I'd recognized it. Guess that's what happens when you don't really know what you're doing.
 
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