Question About Bohr's Quantified Shell Model

In summary, the electron in Bohr's model doesn't collide with the nucleus because it has an extra unit of angular momentum. Schrodinger's hydrogen needs to have an extra unit of angular momentum to make the total energy the same. This extra angular momentum is generated by the choice of a boundary condition that prohibits divergence.
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I'm sure this has a straightforward explanation and am hoping someone can answer it for me.

Looking at this diagram of Bohr's quantified shell model of the atom:

http://library.thinkquest.org/C005775/Theory/oldtheory_section3.html

...I don't understand what is preventing the electron from colliding with the nucleus after n=1, since it still has one unit of energy left, and each previous orbit only required one unit of energy to move it to the next smaller orbit.

Thanks.
 
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octagon, The Bohr theory was an early attempt to explain the atom in nearly classical terms. Electrons were supposed to be like little BBs that circled the nucleus in well-defined orbits, and emitted radiation by jumping from one orbit to another. It was soon realized that while this theory explained some features, it was quite wrong on others. It was replaced by the Schrodinger theory in 1926. The Bohr theory is now of historical interest only. On the web page you're reading, if you go ahead a few steps you'll find this explained.
 
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octagon said:
I'm sure this has a straightforward explanation and am hoping someone can answer it for me.

Looking at this diagram of Bohr's quantified shell model of the atom:

http://library.thinkquest.org/C005775/Theory/oldtheory_section3.html

...I don't understand what is preventing the electron from colliding with the nucleus after n=1, since it still has one unit of energy left, and each previous orbit only required one unit of energy to move it to the next smaller orbit.

Thanks.

The total enegies are the same in both Bohr model and Schrodinger's hydrogen.
As both satisfy the Virial theorem, 2K = - V, the average kinetic energies (K) and potential energies (V) are the same, too.

In n=1 state (1s), Bohr model electron doesn't collide with nucleus, because the angular momentum is not zero.
(Instead, the "radial" kinetic energy is zero in the circular orbit.)
To get the kinetic energies the same, Schrodinger's hydrogen needs to have "radial" kinetic energy, because the angular momentum is zero ( L = 0 ) in 1s state.

When we solve the Schrodinger equation for hydrogen, we choose the next boundary condition to prevent divergence,

[tex] u_l (r) = rR_l (r) \qquad u_l (r) \to e^{-\rho r} \quad ( r \to \infty) \qquad u_l (r) \to r^{l+1} \quad ( r \to 0 )[/tex]
The instant you choose this boundary condition, a "mountain" (= wavelength) is generated in the "radial" direction
This means "radial" kinetic energy is not zero, when you choose this boundary condition.
Instead you have to get the angular momentum (= tangential kinetic energy) zero ( L=0 ) in the Schrodinger equation.

By the way, when the angular momentum is not zero, it is impossible that the electron comes closer to the nucleus than a point (perihelion) in Bohr's planetary model.
When the angular momentum is L (of course, L is constant), the "tangential" kinetic energy (T) is,

[tex] mv_{\theta} r = L \quad \to \quad T = \frac{1}{2} mv_{\theta}^2 =\frac{1}{2} \frac{L^2}{m r^2} [/tex]
So this tangential kinetic energy increases at the inverse square of the radius (1/r^2).
At the points near r = 0, the sum of tangential kinetic energy and potential energy is

[tex] T + V = \frac{1}{2} \frac{L^2}{m r^2} - \frac{e^2}{4\pi\epsilon r} \to +\infty \quad ( r \to 0 ) [/tex]
So to keep the total energy ( E < 0 ) constant, the "radial" kinetic energy (R) becomes minus in Schrodinger equation within perihelion.

[tex] R = \frac{1}{2}m v_r^2 < 0 \qquad T = \frac{1}{2} m v_{\theta}^2 > 0 \qquad ( R + T + V = E < 0 )[/tex]
This result shows that "minus" electron mass ( m < 0 ) and "plus" electron mass ( m > 0) are mixed in Schrodinger equation ?
I couldn't find any clear answers in textbooks. I'm glad if someone teach me about this interpretation.
(I heard Einstein noticed the flaw of imaginary number in Schrodinger's hydrogen instantly when he saw the result.
Of couse, Schrodinger himself was not satisfied with this result.)
 
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Thanks for the replies. Very helpful.
 

Related to Question About Bohr's Quantified Shell Model

1. What is Bohr's quantified shell model?

Bohr's quantified shell model is a model of the atom proposed by Niels Bohr in 1913. It states that electrons orbit the nucleus in specific energy levels or shells, and that these shells have a fixed energy value.

2. How does Bohr's model explain the stability of atoms?

Bohr's model explains the stability of atoms by proposing that electrons can only exist in specific energy levels, and that they do not emit energy while in these levels. This means that electrons do not lose energy and fall into the nucleus, thereby maintaining the stability of the atom.

3. Is Bohr's model still used today?

While Bohr's model is no longer the most accurate representation of the atom, it is still used as a simplified model to explain the behavior of electrons in atoms. More advanced models, such as the quantum mechanical model, have replaced it.

4. What are the limitations of Bohr's model?

Bohr's model does not account for the wave-like behavior of electrons or their exact position in an atom. It also does not explain the existence of subatomic particles such as protons and neutrons.

5. Can Bohr's model be applied to all atoms?

No, Bohr's model is only applicable to atoms with one electron, such as hydrogen. It does not accurately describe the behavior of atoms with multiple electrons, as it does not account for the repulsion between electrons in the same shell.

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