Question about branch of logarithms

In summary, the discussion revolves around the concept of branches in logarithms, particularly how the logarithmic function can take on multiple values due to its periodic nature in the complex plane. It highlights the importance of defining a principal branch to ensure consistency in calculations and applications, as well as the implications of different branches on mathematical problems involving logarithms.
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MathLearner123
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I've read a proof from Complex Made Simple (David C. Ullrich)
Proposition 4.3. Suppose that ##V## is an open subset of the plane. There exists a branch of the logarithm in ##V## if and only if there exists ##f \in H(V)## with ##f'(z) = \frac{1}{z}## for all ##z \in V##.

Proof: One direction is trivial and the other is very easy: Suppose that ##f \in H(V)## and ##f'(z) = \frac{1}{z}## for all ##z \in V##. Choose ##z_0 \in V##. Note that ##z_0 \ne 0##, so ##z_0## has a logarithm. Hence we can choose a constant ##c \in \mathbb{C}## such that ##e^{c+f(z_0)} = z_0##, and now ##L## is a branch of the logarithm in ##V##, if ##L(z) = c+f(z)## for all ##z \in V##.

I don't understand how we can choose that constant ##c \in \mathbb{C}## and how it is a branch of logarithm if we know that ##e^{L(z)} = z## only for ##z = z_0##.

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Suppose two functions, ##f, g \in H(V)## agree at a single point and have identical derivatives in ##V##. What can you conclude?
 
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FactChecker said:
Suppose two functions, ##f, g \in H(V)## agree at a single point and have identical derivatives in ##V##. What can you conclude?
I don't know if they are equal if ##V## is not connected.
 
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MathLearner123 said:
I don't know if they are equal if ##V## is not connected.
Very good point. I stand corrected. In addition to that, I'm not sure that my comment gets you any farther. It just seems that the derivative ##1/z## has not been adequately used yet.
 
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FactChecker said:
Very good point. I stand corrected. In addition to that, I'm not sure that my comment gets you any farther. It just seems that the derivative ##1/z## has not been adequately used yet.
I think that the statement is incorrect, and ##V## needs to be a domain (i.e. connected and open set), and this will make the statement true. But I still waiting for answers. I really need an answer :smile:
 
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IIRC, we need a connected , simply-connected set, so that ##\int_{\gamma}\frac{dz}{z}##
Is well-defined, i.e., independent of path.
 
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MathLearner123 said:
I've read a proof from Complex Made Simple (David C. Ullrich)
Proposition 4.3. Suppose that ##V## is an open subset of the plane. There exists a branch of the logarithm in ##V## if and only if there exists ##f \in H(V)## with ##f'(z) = \frac{1}{z}## for all ##z \in V##.

Proof: One direction is trivial and the other is very easy: Suppose that ##f \in H(V)## and ##f'(z) = \frac{1}{z}## for all ##z \in V##. Choose ##z_0 \in V##. Note that ##z_0 \ne 0##, so ##z_0## has a logarithm. Hence we can choose a constant ##c \in \mathbb{C}## such that ##e^{c+f(z_0)} = z_0##, and now ##L## is a branch of the logarithm in ##V##, if ##L(z) = c+f(z)## for all ##z \in V##.

I don't understand how we can choose that constant ##c \in \mathbb{C}## and how it is a branch of logarithm if we know that ##e^{L(z)} = z## only for ##z = z_0##.

Thanks!
The issue with ##z_0## is that it's arbitrary, and as long as ##z_0 \neq 0##, the rest will hold. I assume we define a log of ##z## to be a holomorphic function ##f(z)## with ##e^{f(z)}=z##. Then ##\frac{d}{dz}(e^{f(z)})=e^{f(z)}f'(z)=1##, so that ##f'(z)=\frac{1}{z}##
Edit: The remainder of the argument involves the use of an auxiliary function ##g(z):=ze^{-f(z)}##, differentiate it, show it's constant, and the rest will follow.
 
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@WWGD if derivative of ##g## is constant, I still need to have that ##V## is domain to show that. So I also need that ##V## is connected.
 
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MathLearner123 said:
@WWGD if derivative of ##g## is constant, I still need to have that ##V## is domain to show that. So I also need that ##V## is connected.
If ##V## is not connected, you can still define a branch of a logarithm in each connected, open part of ##V##. The derivative is still 1/z in each part. The definitions will not be unique, but the original statement does not insist on a unique solution.
 
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FactChecker said:
If ##V## is not connected, you can still define a branch of a logarithm in each connected, open part of ##V##. The derivative is still 1/z in each part. The definitions will not be unique, but the original statement does not insist on a unique solution.
Oh so it will be a branch of logarithm in each connected, open part, and it will be something like a piecewise branch of logarithm on ##V##?
 
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And note that, as you realize, the proof as given is incorrect, as it assumes V is connected; so the argument, and the choice of a fixed point z0, and constant c, should be extended to separate such choices in every connected component of V. I.e., as stated, the function L(z) will usually not be a logarithm in any connected component other than the one containing z0.

I am just stating explicitly what you and Factchecker have pointed out.
 
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Not just connected, but simply-connected, for the logarithmic integral to be well-defined. The standard motivation is ##\int_ {\gamma} \frac{dz}{z}=i2\pi \neq 0##
 
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MathLearner123 said:
Oh so it will be a branch of logarithm in each connected, open part, and it will be something like a piecewise branch of logarithm on ##V##?
I am not sure if all the normal properties of the logarithm can remain true unless the definitions in different sections are compatible.
 
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WWGD said:
Not just connected, but simply-connected, for the logarithmic integral to be well-defined. The standard motivation is ##\int_ {\gamma} \frac{dz}{z}=i2\pi \neq 0##
The OP specified that there would be a branch of the logarithm. I assumed that it would allow a branch cut and the associated discontinuity at the branch cut for any part of the domain that encircled z=0.
 
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FactChecker said:
The OP specified that there would be a branch of the logarithm. I assumed that it would allow a branch cut and the associated discontinuity at the branch cut for any part of the domain that encircled z=0.
I think the condition generalized to simply-connected regions, as the issue is that of winding around points not in the region.
 
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