Question About Harmonic Oscillator in Griffiths - E=0 or E=1/2hw?

In summary, the conversation discusses Griffiths' use of ladder operators in solving the Schrodinger equation for the harmonic oscillator. It mentions the concept of a "lowest rung" or \psi_{0}, and how it corresponds to the energy (E_{0} - \hbar\omega) which equals zero. However, this conflicts with Griffiths' statement that the energy is actually \frac{1}{2}\hbar\omega. The speakers clarify that a_- \psi_0 is a mathematical solution, but not a physical one, and that the energy of \psi_0 is actually \frac{1}{2}\hbar\omega.
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I'm reading Griffiths', and I had a question about the harmonic oscillator.

Griffiths solves the Schrodinger equation using ladder operators, and he then says that there must be a "lowest rung," or [tex]\psi_{0}[/tex], such that a_[tex]\psi_{0}[/tex] = 0. I'm guessing this also means that E = 0 for a_[tex]\psi_{0}[/tex], which is why it wouldn't be allowable.

Because a_[tex]\psi_{0}[/tex] is (mathematically, at least) a solution to the Schrodinger equation, it corresponds to the energy ([tex]E_{0}[/tex] - [tex]\hbar\omega[/tex]), which equals zero. Doesn't this mean that [tex]E_{0}[/tex] = [tex]\hbar\omega[/tex]?

But then this conflicts with Griffith's statement that [tex]E_{0}[/tex] = [tex]\frac{1}{2}\hbar\omega[/tex]. HELP!
 
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Watch out! The statement [itex]a_- \psi_0 = 0[/itex] just says that when you apply the ladder operator to this state, you get nothing, i.e. the vacuum. Physicists have a tendency to use "natural" notation, and you will often see things like [itex]a_- |0\rangle = 0[/itex]. Note that here the [itex]|0\rangle[/itex] on the left hand side is a state (wavevector) and the 0 on the right hand side is the zero vector, which is not a state. Griffiths is just kind enough to call it [itex]\psi_0[/itex] instead of [itex]|0\rangle[/itex] so you don't get completely confused :smile:

You say that [itex]a_- \psi_0[/itex] is a solution to the Schrodinger equation: that's right. But it isn't a physical solution. It's just the solution [itex]\psi = 0[/itex]. The energy of [itex]\psi_0[/itex] is [itex]\frac12 \hbar \omega[/itex] (formula 2.61) which can be seen by applying the Hamiltonian in the form (2.56) to this state and using that [itex]a_-[/itex] annihilates it.

Hope that makes it more clear.
 
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Thanks, CompuChip!
 

FAQ: Question About Harmonic Oscillator in Griffiths - E=0 or E=1/2hw?

What is a harmonic oscillator?

A harmonic oscillator is a system that exhibits a repetitive motion or vibration around an equilibrium point. It can be described mathematically using the equation of motion: F = -kx, where F is the restoring force, k is the spring constant, and x is the displacement from equilibrium.

What is the significance of E=0 and E=1/2hw in the harmonic oscillator?

E=0 represents the lowest possible energy state of the oscillator, also known as the ground state. E=1/2hw represents the first excited state, which has a higher energy than the ground state. These energy levels determine the frequencies at which the oscillator can vibrate.

How do you solve for the energy levels in a harmonic oscillator using the equation E=nhw?

The energy levels in a harmonic oscillator can be calculated using the equation E=nhw, where n is the quantum number and hw is the energy of a single quantum. The quantum number n can take on integer values starting from 0 for the ground state, and each successive value represents a higher energy state.

What is the relationship between the energy levels and the frequency of a harmonic oscillator?

The energy levels of a harmonic oscillator are directly proportional to the frequency of oscillation. This means that as the frequency increases, the energy levels also increase. The frequency is related to the energy levels by the equation E=hw, where h is Planck's constant.

How does the value of the spring constant affect the energy levels of a harmonic oscillator?

The spring constant, k, is directly proportional to the energy levels of a harmonic oscillator. This means that a higher spring constant will result in higher energy levels and frequencies, while a lower spring constant will result in lower energy levels and frequencies. This relationship can be seen in the equation for energy levels: E=(n+1/2)hw.

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