Question about the current components inside the Corbino disk

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AmanWithoutAscarf
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Homework Statement
Please check the problem below
Relevant Equations
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Problem:
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An annular disk consists of a sample of material with thickness d, inner radius ##\displaystyle R_{1}##, outer radius ##\displaystyle \ R_{2}##, and electrical conductivity ##\displaystyle \sigma##. Let the radial current ##I_0## flow from the inner periphery to the outer periphery of the disk.
Questions:
1. If ##n## is the conduction electron density, use Faraday's law to prove that the circular current is:
$$I_{c} =\frac{\sigma B}{2\pi ne} I_{0}\ln\frac{R_{2}}{R_{1}}$$
2. Prove that every circle with the center of origin in the disk is an equipotential line.

Here is my attemption of solving the first question:
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I believe that the current through a cylindrical shell can be expressed as:
$$\displaystyle I_{c} =\int _{R_{1}}^{R_{2}} J_{\theta } .d.dr$$
To solve this, I considered the tangential and radial components of current density, ##\displaystyle J_{\theta }## and ##\displaystyle J_{r}##.
We have the following relationships:
$$\displaystyle ne.v_{r} =J_{r}$$
$$\displaystyle \sigma v_{r} B=J_{\theta }$$
$$\displaystyle J_{r} =\frac{ne}{\sigma B} J_{\theta }$$
Suppose ##\displaystyle J_{r}## is constant along the circular line with radius r
We have:
$$\displaystyle i_{r} =J_{r} .2\pi rd=I_{0} =const$$
Then we can write:
$$\displaystyle \frac{ne.2\pi rd}{\sigma B} J_{\theta } =I_{0}$$
$$\displaystyle I_{\theta } =I_{0} .\frac{\sigma B}{ne2\pi rd}$$
Integrate to find ##\displaystyle I_{c} :##
$$\displaystyle I_{c} =\int _{R_{1}}^{R_{2}} J_{\theta } .d.dr=\int _{R_{1}}^{R_{2}} I_{0} .\frac{\sigma B}{ne.2\pi r} dr$$
$$\displaystyle I_{c} =\frac{\sigma B}{2\pi ne} I_{0}\ln\frac{R_{2}}{R_{1}}$$

However, my solution is based on the assumption that is:
Suppose ##\displaystyle J_{r}## is constant along the circular line with radius r
without any valid support, and neither do I know how to solve the second question.

My question:
How is my answer correct? And can anyone help me with the last question, please?
 
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I found this question on the internet
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I think you didn't write a small part in the original question
##I_c## is the circular current that flows when a constant magnetic field is applied

The ##2nd ## question asks to prove equipotential surface without the magnetic field. (Because it can't be equipotential if a magnetic field creates circular currents)
 
  • #3
Aurelius120 said:
I found this question on the internet View attachment 346817
I think you didn't write a small part in the original question
##I_c## is the circular current that flows when a constant magnetic field is applied

The ##2nd ## question asks to prove equipotential surface without the magnetic field. (Because it can't be equipotential if a magnetic field creates circular currents)
Oh thank you. I found this problem written in my first language, it was part of a big question on a physics test, so I had to translate it back into English here. Sorry for the mistake.
 
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It seems like there is something else missing from the question(s) -- the current will not be radial if the two contacts are as show in the OP. The only way you can get radial currents is if the inner and outer ring surfaces have a much lower ##\sigma## value than the bulk material of the ring.
 
  • #5
berkeman said:
It seems like there is something else missing from the question(s) -- the current will not be radial if the two contacts are as show in the OP. The only way you can get radial currents is if the inner and outer ring surfaces have a much lower ##\sigma## value than the bulk material of the ring.
Originally, from the top view, the illustration is:

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I mean, it's re-drawn exactly as the paper version
Aurelius120 said:
I found this question on the internet
1000018319.jpg

I think you didn't write a small part in the original question
Ic is the circular current that flows when a constant magnetic fieldis applied
And the description of the problem is perhaps like that. Can you show the illustration of your version, please? @Aurelius120
 
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AmanWithoutAscarf said:
Originally, from the top, the illustration is:
Right, so as the problem is started, the current enters at a single point on the inner surface of the ring, and exits at a single point on the outer surface across from the entry point. If the disc material is uniform, the current will be spreading out and then concentrating as it flows from the entry to the exit point. The current will flow largely *across* the ring, not in an annular fashion.

It seems like the problem should state that the inner and outer surfaces of the ring are coated with a zero-resistivity material to ensure the radial current flow that they want to be part of the problem...
 
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berkeman said:
Right, so as the problem is started, the current enters at a single point on the inner surface of the ring, and exits at a single point on the outer surface across from the entry point. If the disc material is uniform, the current will be spreading out and then concentrating as it flows from the entry to the exit point. The current will flow largely *across* the ring, not in an annular fashion.

It seems like the problem should state that the inner and outer surfaces of the ring are coated with a zero-resistivity material to ensure the radial current flow that they want to be part of the problem...
Thank you.
From my understanding, as a result, all concentric circular lines will be symmetrically equipotential. Therefore, the radial components along these lines will have the same magnitude, making it unnecessary to prove the second statement
Can someone confirm if this is correct?
 
  • #10
berkeman said:
Okay, that makes more sense. The original problem did not show point contacts for the current, and instead made it a precondition that the current flowed between the inner and outer surfaces in a radial fashion.
But tell me how does a constant magnetic field over a constant area that is not moving create any current?
$$\text{ Isn't the integral }\int \vec E.dl=\frac{d\phi_{_B}}{dt} $$
 
  • #11
The voltage across the resistive disc drives the current. The constant B-field can only deflect/divert the current via the Lorentz Force.
 
  • #12
berkeman said:
The voltage across the resistive disc drives the current. The constant B-field can only deflect/divert the current via the Lorentz Force.
So the Lorentz force on the electrons causes circular motion of electrons while electric field accelerates in spiral causing circular current? Seems somewhat similar to cyclotron
Where is Faraday's law used if flux is constant?
 

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