Question about the natural numbers.

In summary, the conversation discusses the concept of natural numbers being the simplest building block for numbers and the question of whether it is the only infinite set that is not a power set of another set. It also brings up the Generalized Continuum Hypothesis, which explores the relationship between the cardinality of natural numbers and power sets. The conversation concludes by discussing the possibility of starting with 0 and adding a larger number instead of 1 each time.
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Is the set of natural numbers the only infinite set that is not a power set of another set?
 
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cragar said:
Is the set of natural numbers the only infinite set that is not a power set of another set?

Hey cragar.

Well you need to have a building block for numbers in the simplest manner and the natural numbers are that block.

Do you have any thoughts about a building block that is a subset or rather something simpler than the natural numbers?

It is a very good question to ask, because these kinds of things get people thinking and understanding and that's always good.
 
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why can't we just start with 0 and 1 . and just add 1 to 1 as many times as we want
 
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cragar said:
Is the set of natural numbers the only infinite set that is not a power set of another set?
Nearly every set is not the power set of another set.

Did you instead mean
the only infinite sets for which there is not a bijection from X to a power set of another set are sets for which there is a bijection to the natural numbers​
or maybe
the cardinality of the natural numbers is the only infinite cardinal number that is not the cardinality of a power set​
?

If so, then your question is essentially the Generalized Continuum Hypothesis.
 
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cragar said:
why can't we just start with 0 and 1 . and just add 1 to 1 as many times as we want

You might just as well start with 0 and add 1,000,000 and keep adding 1,000,000. You'll end up with a set that is the same size as if you had added 1 each time
 

FAQ: Question about the natural numbers.

What are natural numbers?

Natural numbers are a set of positive integers starting from 1 and increasing by 1. They are often denoted by the symbol "N". Examples of natural numbers include 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, and so on.

What is the difference between natural numbers and whole numbers?

The main difference between natural numbers and whole numbers is that natural numbers do not include zero, whereas whole numbers include zero. So, while the set of natural numbers is denoted by "N", the set of whole numbers is denoted by "W" or "Z".

Are natural numbers considered to be infinite?

Yes, natural numbers are considered to be infinite since there is no highest or largest natural number. They continue to increase without an upper limit.

What are some real-life examples of natural numbers?

Natural numbers can be used to count objects or items, such as the number of apples in a basket or the number of students in a classroom. They can also represent time, such as the number of hours in a day or the number of days in a year.

How are natural numbers used in mathematics?

Natural numbers are the building blocks of many mathematical concepts, including addition, subtraction, multiplication, and division. They are also used in various branches of mathematics, such as algebra, geometry, and calculus.

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