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This thread is to collect links providing possibly useful information about human (respectively dog) racial (respectively breed) variety.
other domesticated animals such as horses may sometimes appear.
it is not intended to focus on issues and problems related to anyone particular genetic group of people such as Finns, Maori, Han Chinese, or African-Americans (assuming these are indeed meaningful categories), or on anyone particular breed of dog.
An effort will be made to have the viewpoint international rather than being enmired in some limited US perspective or some other country's point of view.
General links will be provided pointing out the dangers of having any races at all----genocide links---but the focus is not intended to be on dangers.
IMO we have been getting a remarkable bunch of information lately at PF and I don't want to lose track of it and forget where the links are.
TAXONOMY (courtesy ian)
https://www.physicsforums.com/showthread.php?p=290880#post290880
I understand that, in the traditional scheme of taxonomy, race is equated with sub-species (the two terms are synonymous). Divisions within a single race or subspecies are called varieties. Modern Human is a subspecies (race) of Homo Sapiens. Therefore technically one must go down one rank step in the classfication scheme when cataloging sub-populations within Modern Human. According to traditional taxonomy such a sub-population should be called a variety.
Taxonomy is just one traditional discipline and we do not have to adhere strictly to its terminology. But there it is: to a conventional taxonomist accustomed to classifying other animals and plants, what might in some other context have been called a race is more apt to be called a variety.
If the domestic dog is a subspecies (rather than a true species), then taxonomically-speaking breeds would also be called varieties.
I must also acknowledge the possibility that the centuries-old classification system of Taxonomy may be destined to fail and that modern tools for analysing human DNA variety and organizing the information may necessarily involve innovative data structures. I got some hints of this in the papers people gave me to read.
SAMPLE PAPERS in no particular order
Heidi G. Parker, Lisa V. Kim, Nathan B. Sutter, Scott Carlson, Travis D. Lorentzen, Tiffany B. Malek, Gary S. Johnson, Hawkins B. DeFrance, Elaine A. Ostrander, Leonid Kruglyak
Genetic Structure of the Purebred Domestic Dog
Science (21 May 2004, vol 304 page 1160)
http://www.akcchf.org/news/press/releases/2004/dogbreeds.pdf
"From many recent article by Cavalli-Sforza, it seems that gene flow can be perceived and assessed but distinct groups can be distinguished."
Mansoor A, Mazhar K, Khaliq S, Hameed A, Rehman S, Siddiqi S, Papaioannou M, Cavalli-Sforza LL, Mehdi SQ, Ayub Q.
Investigation of the Greek ancestry of populations from northern Pakistan.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/...ve&db=pubmed&dopt=Abstract&list_uids=14986106
Cruciani F, Santolamazza P, Shen P, Macaulay V, Moral P, Olckers A, Modiano D, Holmes S, Destro-Bisol G, Coia V, Wallace DC, Oefner PJ, Torroni A, Cavalli-Sforza LL, Scozzari R, Underhill PA.
A back migration from Asia to sub-Saharan Africa is supported by high-resolution analysis of human Y-chromosome haplotypes.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/...ve&db=pubmed&dopt=Abstract&list_uids=11910562
Ayub Q, Mansoor A, Ismail M, Khaliq S, Mohyuddin A, Hameed A, Mazhar K, Rehman S, Siddiqi S, Papaioannou M, Piazza A, Cavalli-Sforza LL, Mehdi SQ.
Reconstruction of human evolutionary tree using polymorphic autosomal microsatellites.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/...ve&db=pubmed&dopt=Abstract&list_uids=14533184
Jin L, Baskett ML, Cavalli-Sforza LL, Zhivotovsky LA, Feldman MW, Rosenberg NA.
Microsatellite evolution in modern humans: a comparison of two data sets from the same populations.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/...ve&db=pubmed&dopt=Abstract&list_uids=11246466
"In both studies, Cavalli-Sforza team show a clear and significant clustering (6) of geographically related population. Cavalli-Sforza et al. also talk about the admixing of some geographically closed groups in African and Pakistani,.."
I suspect that races are for most of us still somewhat vague and "sociological" classifications. the necessary DNA cataloging to reveal the human family tree in some objective reliable way seems to be in its early stages. So this is a border area between sociology and biology, where the older subjective and socially established terms may be replaced by more objective ones. there may also be many people whom no DNA algorithm can classify and who are therefore objectively raceless, while there may be others whose genes can be recognized and identified within a tree or web of categories.
Someone recently supplied a link about Tiger Woods. for the time being he can serve to symbolize for us a person who might eventually prove to be genetically unclassifiable.
[put Tiger Woods link here]
so we have a mix of biology and sociology here and I chose to locate this link-basket thread in sociology forum.
Here's something about lactase I couldn't make anything out of
Mulcare et al---Re:Lactose tolerance Masai vs western Europe
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/...ve&db=pubmed&dopt=Abstract&list_uids=15106124
other domesticated animals such as horses may sometimes appear.
it is not intended to focus on issues and problems related to anyone particular genetic group of people such as Finns, Maori, Han Chinese, or African-Americans (assuming these are indeed meaningful categories), or on anyone particular breed of dog.
An effort will be made to have the viewpoint international rather than being enmired in some limited US perspective or some other country's point of view.
General links will be provided pointing out the dangers of having any races at all----genocide links---but the focus is not intended to be on dangers.
IMO we have been getting a remarkable bunch of information lately at PF and I don't want to lose track of it and forget where the links are.
TAXONOMY (courtesy ian)
https://www.physicsforums.com/showthread.php?p=290880#post290880
I understand that, in the traditional scheme of taxonomy, race is equated with sub-species (the two terms are synonymous). Divisions within a single race or subspecies are called varieties. Modern Human is a subspecies (race) of Homo Sapiens. Therefore technically one must go down one rank step in the classfication scheme when cataloging sub-populations within Modern Human. According to traditional taxonomy such a sub-population should be called a variety.
Taxonomy is just one traditional discipline and we do not have to adhere strictly to its terminology. But there it is: to a conventional taxonomist accustomed to classifying other animals and plants, what might in some other context have been called a race is more apt to be called a variety.
If the domestic dog is a subspecies (rather than a true species), then taxonomically-speaking breeds would also be called varieties.
I must also acknowledge the possibility that the centuries-old classification system of Taxonomy may be destined to fail and that modern tools for analysing human DNA variety and organizing the information may necessarily involve innovative data structures. I got some hints of this in the papers people gave me to read.
SAMPLE PAPERS in no particular order
Heidi G. Parker, Lisa V. Kim, Nathan B. Sutter, Scott Carlson, Travis D. Lorentzen, Tiffany B. Malek, Gary S. Johnson, Hawkins B. DeFrance, Elaine A. Ostrander, Leonid Kruglyak
Genetic Structure of the Purebred Domestic Dog
Science (21 May 2004, vol 304 page 1160)
http://www.akcchf.org/news/press/releases/2004/dogbreeds.pdf
"From many recent article by Cavalli-Sforza, it seems that gene flow can be perceived and assessed but distinct groups can be distinguished."
Mansoor A, Mazhar K, Khaliq S, Hameed A, Rehman S, Siddiqi S, Papaioannou M, Cavalli-Sforza LL, Mehdi SQ, Ayub Q.
Investigation of the Greek ancestry of populations from northern Pakistan.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/...ve&db=pubmed&dopt=Abstract&list_uids=14986106
Cruciani F, Santolamazza P, Shen P, Macaulay V, Moral P, Olckers A, Modiano D, Holmes S, Destro-Bisol G, Coia V, Wallace DC, Oefner PJ, Torroni A, Cavalli-Sforza LL, Scozzari R, Underhill PA.
A back migration from Asia to sub-Saharan Africa is supported by high-resolution analysis of human Y-chromosome haplotypes.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/...ve&db=pubmed&dopt=Abstract&list_uids=11910562
Ayub Q, Mansoor A, Ismail M, Khaliq S, Mohyuddin A, Hameed A, Mazhar K, Rehman S, Siddiqi S, Papaioannou M, Piazza A, Cavalli-Sforza LL, Mehdi SQ.
Reconstruction of human evolutionary tree using polymorphic autosomal microsatellites.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/...ve&db=pubmed&dopt=Abstract&list_uids=14533184
Jin L, Baskett ML, Cavalli-Sforza LL, Zhivotovsky LA, Feldman MW, Rosenberg NA.
Microsatellite evolution in modern humans: a comparison of two data sets from the same populations.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/...ve&db=pubmed&dopt=Abstract&list_uids=11246466
"In both studies, Cavalli-Sforza team show a clear and significant clustering (6) of geographically related population. Cavalli-Sforza et al. also talk about the admixing of some geographically closed groups in African and Pakistani,.."
I suspect that races are for most of us still somewhat vague and "sociological" classifications. the necessary DNA cataloging to reveal the human family tree in some objective reliable way seems to be in its early stages. So this is a border area between sociology and biology, where the older subjective and socially established terms may be replaced by more objective ones. there may also be many people whom no DNA algorithm can classify and who are therefore objectively raceless, while there may be others whose genes can be recognized and identified within a tree or web of categories.
Someone recently supplied a link about Tiger Woods. for the time being he can serve to symbolize for us a person who might eventually prove to be genetically unclassifiable.
[put Tiger Woods link here]
so we have a mix of biology and sociology here and I chose to locate this link-basket thread in sociology forum.
Here's something about lactase I couldn't make anything out of
Mulcare et al---Re:Lactose tolerance Masai vs western Europe
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/...ve&db=pubmed&dopt=Abstract&list_uids=15106124
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