Radio Attenuation Rate and Magnetized Iron Mesh

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In summary, the concept of radio attenuation rate in relation to magnetized iron mesh involves the study of how electromagnetic waves are weakened as they pass through materials. Magnetized iron mesh can significantly influence radio signals by altering their propagation characteristics. The effectiveness of this mesh in attenuating radio waves depends on factors such as frequency, mesh density, and the strength of magnetization, making it a critical consideration in designing communication systems and mitigating interference in radio environments.
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The wavelength of 5G radio waves is smaller than that of 4G, and even a gap of 1 mm or so such as aluminum mesh fabric can slip through, so it is said that attenuation performance cannot be demonstrated. However, I wondered what would happen if the article was made of iron mesh magnetized by a magnetizer. Can 5G radio waves slip through even magnetized iron mesh in a prepared manner?
 
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Why do you think magnetization would have any effect on the EM wave?
 
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Thanks for the replies, I will try to get back to you on this one. Oh, I was also writing this topic in the hope of gaining scientific knowledge, but if it is inappropriate, please delete this one as well.

I read a post saying that aluminum mesh is not magnetic and iron mesh is magnetic and therefore has a higher attenuation rate of electromagnetic waves, so I was wondering if the properties of the electromagnetic waves themselves would change if the iron mesh fabric was given the properties of a magnet.

https://www.jst.go.jp/pr/announce/20120905-2/index.html
  • (c) Schematic of millimeter wave polarization plane rotation induced by irradiating a magnetized sample with millimeter waves. This ferrite magnet affects the magnetic field component of the electromagnetic wave.
As mentioned in the presentation here, magnets can affect the properties of electromagnetic waves. Therefore, I am interested to know if electromagnetic waves are also attenuated by magnetic forces or magnetic fields.
 
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Thanks. I would appreciate it if you could try to translate the page on ChatGPT or DeepL if possible. But I think that would also be a hassle.

I was looking for a similar topic in an English-speaking forum or article discussing what I wanted to know:

https://physics.stackexchange.com/q...radio-waves-from-forcing-two-magnets-together

It has been observed that cooperating magnetic fields, such as neodymium magnets, have no effect on electromagnetic waves. Then, it seems to be safe to assume that imparting the characteristics of a magnet to iron mesh fabric will have no effect on the attenuation rate at all. I have solved the problem myself, but as always, if there is someone who can think with me, I will be able to get to the desired information. Thank you very much for your help.
 
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I would appreciate it if you could try to translate the page on ChatGPT or DeepL if possible.
We discourage the use of AI chatbots for technical tasks at PF. I'll try to use Google Translate to see what some parts of the paper says.

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https://physics.stackexchange.com/q...radio-waves-from-forcing-two-magnets-together

It has been observed that cooperating magnetic fields, such as neodymium magnets, have no effect on electromagnetic waves. Then, it seems to be safe to assume that imparting the characteristics of a magnet to iron mesh fabric will have no effect on the attenuation rate at all. I have solved the problem myself, but as always, if there is someone who can think with me, I will be able to get to the desired information. Thank you very much for your help.
I only looked at the first sentence or two of the first answer in that PSE thread, and I agree that there should be no effect on the EM from any magnetization. As it says, it is the free electrons (and skin depth) of the metal shielding that provides the shielding effect for EM.
 
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Thank you. I am not a scientist and had only skimmed the published paper, but I read it again properly. It seems that the new magnet shown in this paper showed radio absorption in the 220 gigahertz band of millimeter waves. However, the frequency band of 5G radio waves is much lower, so I don't think it is as realistic as I had thought.
I think they must have made a very strong magnet, but in any case, it was good to learn that magnets have no effect on EM.
 
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new magnet shown in this paper showed radio absorption in the 220 gigahertz band of millimeter waves.
Yikes, that's really high frequency. Maybe the local B-field is doing something with the motion of the free electrons in the metal to provide that effect. I'll try to translate the paper when I get a chance to see what their explanation is for the effect.
 
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FAQ: Radio Attenuation Rate and Magnetized Iron Mesh

What is radio attenuation rate?

Radio attenuation rate refers to the reduction in the strength of a radio signal as it travels through a medium. This attenuation can be caused by various factors such as distance, physical obstructions, atmospheric conditions, and the material properties of the medium through which the signal is passing.

How does a magnetized iron mesh affect radio signals?

A magnetized iron mesh can significantly affect radio signals by introducing additional attenuation and potential distortion. The magnetic properties of the mesh can interact with the electromagnetic fields of the radio waves, causing changes in signal strength and quality. The extent of these effects depends on factors such as the mesh density, the strength of the magnetization, and the frequency of the radio signal.

Why is it important to study the interaction between radio waves and magnetized iron mesh?

Studying the interaction between radio waves and magnetized iron mesh is important for several practical applications, including improving the design of shielding materials, enhancing wireless communication systems, and developing better electromagnetic interference (EMI) mitigation techniques. Understanding these interactions can lead to more efficient and reliable technology in various fields such as telecommunications, aerospace, and electronics.

What factors influence the attenuation rate of radio signals through a magnetized iron mesh?

The attenuation rate of radio signals through a magnetized iron mesh is influenced by several factors, including the frequency of the radio waves, the thickness and density of the mesh, the strength and orientation of the magnetization, and the overall material properties of the iron. Additionally, environmental factors such as temperature and humidity can also play a role in affecting the attenuation rate.

Can the effects of a magnetized iron mesh on radio signals be mitigated?

Yes, the effects of a magnetized iron mesh on radio signals can be mitigated through various methods. These may include optimizing the design and material properties of the mesh, using alternative materials with lower magnetic interference, implementing shielding techniques, and adjusting the frequency and power of the radio signals. Advanced computational modeling and experimental testing can also help in developing strategies to minimize attenuation and ensure reliable signal transmission.

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