Range of frequency heard by observer related to Doppler effect

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Homework Statement
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Relevant Equations
##f_2=\frac{v\pm v_o}{v\pm v_s}f_1##
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My answer is (A) but the correct answer is (B).

My attempt:
$$f_2=\frac{v\pm v_o}{v\pm v_s}f_1$$
$$=\frac{v+0.1v}{v}f_o$$
$$=1.1f_o$$

If we consider the observer to move pass through the sound source and now is moving away from the stationary source, then:
$$f_2=\frac{v-0.1v}{v}f_o$$
$$=0.9f_o$$

My questions:
1) why the answer is not ##0.9f_o\leq f\leq1.1f_o##?

2) based on the doppler effect formula, the frequency heard by observer will be constant (higher) when the observer is approaching the source (or source approaching the observer) and will also be constant (lower) when observer is moving away from source (or source is moving away from observer). But in real life, when ambulance is approaching me, the sound heard will be louder and louder (not constant) as it is approaching. This seems to contradict the formula. Or maybe the sound is louder and louder due to amplitude is increasing but the frequency stays constant?

Thanks
 
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songoku said:
1) why the answer is not ##0.9f_o\leq f\leq1.1f_o##?
It is not made clear, but it seems you are to consider the instaneous position shown, not the whole transit.
songoku said:
2) based on the doppler effect formula, the frequency heard by observer will be constant (higher) when the observer is approaching the source (or source approaching the observer) and will also be constant (lower) when observer is moving away from source (or source is moving away from observer).
Only if on a line through the source.
songoku said:
maybe the sound is louder and louder due to amplitude is increasing but the frequency stays constant?
Amplitude is independent of frequency, but loudness is a matter of perception. The human auditory system is more sensitive to some frequencies than others.
 
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The image shows the obsever travelling towards, but not straight at, the source. I would assume the question intends to ask about this particular setup.

This means that the observer approaches the source with a speed lower than ##0.1v##. Since it us an approach, the frequency cannog be lowered.
 
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haruspex said:
It is not made clear, but it seems you are to consider the instaneous position shown, not the whole transit.
Orodruin said:
The image shows the obsever travelling towards, but not straight at, the source. I would assume the question intends to ask about this particular setup.

This means that the observer approaches the source with a speed lower than ##0.1v##. Since it us an approach, the frequency cannog be lowered.
I understand.

haruspex said:
Only if on a line through the source.
Do you mean in real life there can be some sound wave that are not on a line through the source so adding to the frequency heard by the observer?

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songoku said:
Do you mean in real life there can be some sound wave that are not on a line through the source so adding to the frequency heard by the observer?
He means the motion of the observer.
 
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Orodruin said:
He means the motion of the observer.
If I imagine observer approaching source in a straight line in real life, the sound heard will be louder, not constant (not really sure whether the pitch will be higher too). Is this related to Doppler effect or is it something else?

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songoku said:
(not really sure whether the pitch will be higher too).
The pitch only changes if the approach speed changes.
songoku said:
Is this related to Doppler effect
no
songoku said:
or is it something else?
The emitted sound spreads out in concentric spherical shells, so when a wave has reached distance r it is spread out over a shell of area ##4\pi r^2##. (corrected)
 
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haruspex said:
The emitted sound spreads out in concentric spherical shells, so when a wave has reached distance r it is spread out over a shell of area ##\pi r^2##.
I know it's only a typo' but (just in case it confuses the OP) that should be an area of ##4\pi r^2##, the surface area of a sphere.
 
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haruspex said:
The pitch only changes if the approach speed changes.

no

The emitted sound spreads out in concentric spherical shells, so when a wave has reached distance r it is spread out over a shell of area ##4\pi r^2##. (corrected)
Steve4Physics said:
I know it's only a typo' but (just in case it confuses the OP) that should be an area of ##4\pi r^2##, the surface area of a sphere.
I get it. It is actually related to the intensity of the sound wave, not to the frequency. The frequency is still consistent with Doppler effect formula.

Thank you very much for the help and explanation haruspex, Orodruin, Steve4Physics
 
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FAQ: Range of frequency heard by observer related to Doppler effect

What is the Doppler Effect?

The Doppler Effect is the change in frequency or wavelength of a wave in relation to an observer moving relative to the wave source. It is commonly observed with sound waves, where the frequency increases as the source approaches the observer and decreases as it moves away.

How does the Doppler Effect affect the frequency of sound heard by an observer?

When a sound source moves toward an observer, the sound waves are compressed, resulting in a higher frequency and pitch. Conversely, when the sound source moves away, the waves are stretched, leading to a lower frequency and pitch. This change in frequency is what the observer perceives.

What factors influence the frequency heard by an observer in the context of the Doppler Effect?

Several factors influence the frequency heard by an observer, including the speed of the sound source, the speed of the observer, the distance between the source and observer, and the medium through which the sound travels. The relative motion between the source and the observer is the most critical factor.

Can the Doppler Effect be observed with light waves as well?

Yes, the Doppler Effect can also be observed with light waves. When a light source moves toward an observer, the light appears blue-shifted (higher frequency), and when it moves away, it appears red-shifted (lower frequency). This effect is significant in astrophysics for measuring the movement of stars and galaxies.

How can the Doppler Effect be mathematically described?

The Doppler Effect can be described using the formula: f' = f (v + vo) / (v + vs), where f' is the observed frequency, f is the source frequency, v is the speed of sound in the medium, vo is the speed of the observer (positive if moving toward the source), and vs is the speed of the source (positive if moving away from the observer). This equation allows for calculations of frequency shifts based on relative velocities.

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