Rate of change of Viscous Force in Couette Flow

In summary: Initially, when the plate is accelerating, the force we apply to the plate will be greater than the shear force exerted by the fluid on the bottom of the plate. As the plate accelerates, the force we apply will decrease until it reaches a steady state where it is equal to the shear force. However, this does not contradict the fact that the net force on the plate should increase with time. This is because during the transient phase, the net force will be greater than zero and will only approach zero as the plate reaches steady state. Therefore, in summary, the net force on the plate will initially increase with time as the plate accelerates, and then approach zero when the plate reaches steady state.
  • #36
I hope this is correct.

##\int_{L-δ}^{L} [(L-y)\left(1-\frac{(L-y)}{\delta}\right)](\frac{d\delta}{dt}) dy=\int_{L-δ}^{L}\nu dy##

⇔##[\frac{\delta^2}{6}-L(\delta-1)](\frac{d\delta}{dt})=\nu\delta##

⇔##[\frac{\delta}{6}-L\left(1-\frac{1}{\delta}\right)](\frac{d\delta}{dt})=\nu##
 
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  • #37
This is closer, but still not correct. The first term in brackets is correct, but the second term is not; its units don't even match those of the first term.

Chet
 
  • #38
This is definitely correct.:p

##\int_{L-δ}^{L} [(L-y)\left(1-\frac{(L-y)}{\delta}\right)](\frac{d\delta}{dt}) dy=\int_{L-δ}^{L}\nu dy##

⇔##(\frac{\delta^2}{6})(\frac{d\delta}{dt})=\nu\delta##

⇔##(\frac{\delta}{6})(\frac{d\delta}{dt})=\nu##

⇔##(\frac{d\delta}{dt})=\frac{6\nu}{\delta}##
 
  • #39
Soumalya said:
This is definitely correct.:p

##\int_{L-δ}^{L} [(L-y)\left(1-\frac{(L-y)}{\delta}\right)](\frac{d\delta}{dt}) dy=\int_{L-δ}^{L}\nu dy##

⇔##(\frac{\delta^2}{6})(\frac{d\delta}{dt})=\nu\delta##

⇔##(\frac{\delta}{6})(\frac{d\delta}{dt})=\nu##

⇔##(\frac{d\delta}{dt})=\frac{6\nu}{\delta}##
Yes. Now solve this differential equation for δ(t), subject to the initial condition δ(0)=0. What do you get?

Chet
 
  • #40
##(\frac{d\delta}{dt})=\frac{6\nu}{\delta}##

⇔##\int_{\delta_0}^{\delta_t}\delta d\delta=6\nu\int_{t_0}^{t}dt##

⇔##\left(\frac{\delta_t^2}{2}-\frac{\delta_0^2}{2}\right)=6\nu(t-t_0)##

Since at t=0, δ(0)=δ0=0

⇔##\frac{\delta_t^2}{2}=6\nu t##

⇔##\delta_t=2\sqrt{3\nu t}##

⇔##\delta(t)=2\sqrt{3\nu t}##
 
  • #41
Soumalya said:
##(\frac{d\delta}{dt})=\frac{6\nu}{\delta}##

⇔##\int_{\delta_0}^{\delta_t}\delta d\delta=6\nu\int_{t_0}^{t}dt##

⇔##\left(\frac{\delta_t^2}{2}-\frac{\delta_0^2}{2}\right)=6\nu(t-t_0)##

Since at t=0, δ(0)=δ0=0

⇔##\frac{\delta_t^2}{2}=6\nu t##

⇔##\delta_t=2\sqrt{3\nu t}##

⇔##\delta(t)=2\sqrt{3\nu t}##
Nicely done. Take a bow.

We're almost done now. Now go back to post #14 and use your equation for the boundary layer thickness δ to determine the velocity gradient at the wall (aka the wall shear rate) at time t. Then, use this value for the velocity gradient to obtain the shear stress at the wall τ at time t.

Chet
 
  • #42
Chestermiller said:
Nicely done. Take a bow.

:DThe velocity gradient at the wall i.e, at y=L is,[tex]\frac{\partial v}{\partial y}=\frac{2V}{\delta}[/tex]

Since, ##\delta(t)=2\sqrt{3\nu t}##

⇔[tex]\frac{\partial v}{\partial y}=\frac{2V}{2\sqrt{3\nu t}}[/tex] (at y=L)

⇔[tex]\frac{\partial v}{\partial y}=\frac{V}{\sqrt{3\nu t}}[/tex]

The shear stress at the wall at a particular time 't' is given by,

##\left(\tau_{shear}\right)_{wall}=\mu\left(\frac{∂v}{∂y}\right)_{y=L}##

⇔##\left(\tau_{shear}\right)_{wall}=\mu\frac{V}{\sqrt{3\nu t}}##
 
  • #43
Yes. Good job. Now, I can tell you that the exact solution to the differential equation at short times (i.e., when δ << L) is given by:

[tex]\frac{\partial v}{\partial y}=\frac{V}{\sqrt{\pi \nu t}}[/tex]

So you can see that our approximate solution is only slightly different from the exact solution.

Now I have a special surprise for you. Boneh3ad and I have been in contact about this problem, and Boneh3ad has been nice enough to develop an exact solution to the differential equation and boundary conditions, including at longer times where the solution approaches steady state. In his next post, he will be presenting that solution for you to see. Enjoy!

Chet
 
  • #44
Chestermiller said:
Yes. Good job. Now, I can tell you that the exact solution to the differential equation at short times (i.e., when δ << L) is given by:

[tex]\frac{\partial v}{\partial y}=\frac{V}{\sqrt{\pi \nu t}}[/tex]

So you can see that our approximate solution is only slightly different from the exact solution.

Now I have a special surprise for you. Boneh3ad and I have been in contact about this problem, and Boneh3ad has been nice enough to develop an exact solution to the differential equation and boundary conditions, including at longer times where the solution approaches steady state. In his next post, he will be presenting that solution for you to see. Enjoy!

Chet

This is such a special treat for me!:w

I feel immensely honored to have both yours and boneh3ad's helping hands exclusively for my concern.This is incredible:)
 
  • #45
So sometimes working it out by hand can give you immense insight into the problem. At other times, it may be advantageous to solve it numerically (or maybe you are just bored one day and feel like coding it up). Either way, if you start with the Navier-Stokes equations and make the relevant assumptions about the flow to remove most of the terms, you get the following:
[tex]\dfrac{\partial u}{\partial t} = \dfrac{1}{Re}\dfrac{\partial ^2 u}{\partial y^2},[/tex]
where ##Re## is the Reynolds number and this entire equation has been made dimensionless (e.g. the ##u## here is actually the flow velocity normalized by the plate velocity ##U##).

As it turns out, this is just a form of the heat equation, and that shouldn't really surprise you. After all, viscosity is simply a diffusion coefficient for momentum much like thermal conductivity is a diffusion coefficient for heat. Mathematically, then, this problem is identical to a bar initially at a constant temperature with both ends fixed at that temperature, then instantly increasing the temperature at one end to some higher temperature. Physics is filled with neat parallels like that.

Anyway, I went ahead and solved the equation numerically for ##Re = 1000##. All of the values in these plots have been made dimensionless so that they apply more easily to many different physical problems as long as ##Re## is the same.

If you happen to be interested in the numerical solution method, it's just a relatively simple finite difference scheme called Crank-Nicolson. Let's be a little careful about what we call an "exact solution" though. This is not exact, as it is still a numerical approximation subject to finite spatial resolution, finite time-stepping, and the vast but limited numerical precision of a computer which introduces error. It should be very close, though.

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  • #46
In what Boneh3ad did, he called U what we have been calling V and he called h what we have been calling L. His Reynolds number is defined as:

[tex]Re = \frac{VL}{\nu}[/tex]

I might have done this a little differently by lumping the Reynolds Number into the dimensionless time. In that case, the dimensionless time would be:
[itex]\frac{\nu t}{L^2}[/itex]. For the case that Boneh3ad considered, my dimensionless times would be 1000 times smaller than his, but then the graphs would have applied to all Reynolds numbers, and not just Re = 1000.

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  • #47
boneh3ad said:
So sometimes working it out by hand can give you immense insight into the problem. At other times, it may be advantageous to solve it numerically (or maybe you are just bored one day and feel like coding it up). Either way, if you start with the Navier-Stokes equations and make the relevant assumptions about the flow to remove most of the terms, you get the following:
[tex]\dfrac{\partial u}{\partial t} = \dfrac{1}{Re}\dfrac{\partial ^2 u}{\partial y^2},[/tex]
where ##Re## is the Reynolds number and this entire equation has been made dimensionless (e.g. the ##u## here is actually the flow velocity normalized by the plate velocity ##U##).

As it turns out, this is just a form of the heat equation, and that shouldn't really surprise you. After all, viscosity is simply a diffusion coefficient for momentum much like thermal conductivity is a diffusion coefficient for heat. Mathematically, then, this problem is identical to a bar initially at a constant temperature with both ends fixed at that temperature, then instantly increasing the temperature at one end to some higher temperature. Physics is filled with neat parallels like that.

Anyway, I went ahead and solved the equation numerically for ##Re = 1000##. All of the values in these plots have been made dimensionless so that they apply more easily to many different physical problems as long as ##Re## is the same.

If you happen to be interested in the numerical solution method, it's just a relatively simple finite difference scheme called Crank-Nicolson. Let's be a little careful about what we call an "exact solution" though. This is not exact, as it is still a numerical approximation subject to finite spatial resolution, finite time-stepping, and the vast but limited numerical precision of a computer which introduces error. It should be very close, though.

VTLdEkK.png


1qClab8.png


uwV7HYC.png

I studied the graphs carefully and your approach to the solution and I have a better picture in my mind about the situation now.:)
 
  • #48
Chestermiller said:
Now, I can tell you that the exact solution to the differential equation at short times (i.e., when δ << L) is given by:

[tex]\frac{\partial v}{\partial y}=\frac{V}{\sqrt{\pi \nu t}}[/tex]

So you can see that our approximate solution is only slightly different from the exact solution

From the exact solution of the differential force balance equation it's evident that the velocity gradient at any 'y' decreases with time so it implies the shear stress and hence the shear force say at y=L (at the upper plate fluid interface) decreases with time.Since we studied the situation of the upper plate moving with constant velocity so for the plate to sustain constant velocity(zero resultant force) the external force has to be decreased constantly with time in equation to the shear force at the plate.So is this the reason why you were indicating about the need of a motor with an automatic control system?

Also, you mentioned that from the solution we need an infinite amount of force to impulsively begin the motion of the plate (post #4)! Theoretically it's the case but we don't have to apply an infinite force to start the motion of the plate at t=0.What does that mean?

What would have been the situation if we were to apply a constant external force this time to the upper plate enough to impulsively start the motion of the plate?

I am trying to focus my attention to the plate this time:mad:
 
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  • #49
Soumalya said:
From the exact solution of the differential force balance equation it's evident that the velocity gradient at any 'y' decreases with time so it implies the shear stress and hence the shear force say at y=L (at the upper plate fluid interface) decreases with time.Since we studied the situation of the upper plate moving with constant velocity so for the plate to sustain constant velocity(zero resultant force) the external force has to be decreased constantly with time in equation to the shear force at the plate.So is this the reason why you were indicating about the need of a motor with an automatic control system?
I said that because I wanted you to realize that we can move the plate in any way we want, with whatever force history we want.

Also, you mentioned that from the solution we need an infinite amount of force to impulsively begin the motion of the plate (post #4)! Theoretically it's the case but we don't have to apply an infinite force to start the motion of the plate at t=0.What does that mean?
It means that the force we have to apply is very high to begin with and then decreases with time.

What would have been the situation if we were to apply a constant external force this time to the upper plate enough to impulsively start the motion of the plate?
If the plate has no mass, then all we need to do is apply a constant force (equal to the constant shear force). In this case the velocity will start out from zero and increase continuously with time until it approaches a constant value. So, in this case, we would not be impulsively starting the motion of the plate.

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