Rate of work done by F on charge carrier with average velocity v

In summary: So using the high-school definition of work is not always applicable. In summary, the conversation discusses the concept of work and power in relation to the flow of current in a resistor. The rate at which work is done, or power, is defined as the derivative of work over time. However, this definition is not always applicable as work is not the only way to transfer energy.
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I am reading the book Electricity and Magnetism by Purcell and Morin. In Chapter 4, entitled "Electric Currents", there is a small section 4.8 called "Energy Dissipation in Current Flow". I'd like to understand a certain snippet from this section.
In the book Electricity and Magnetism by Purcell and Morin, there is the following snippet

The flow of current in a resistor involves the dissipation of energy. If it takes a force ##\vec{F}## to push a charge carrier along with average velocity ##\vec{v}##, any agency that accomplishes this must do work ##F\cdot v##. If an electric field E is driving the ion of charge ##q##, then ##\vec{F}=q\vec{E}##, and the rate at which work is done is ##q\vec{E}\cdot\vec{v}##.

My question is how to arrive at ##\vec{F}\cdot\vec{v}## as the rate that work is done?
 
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After writing out the question I realized that

$$W=\int_C \vec{F}\cdot d\vec{r}$$

$$=\int_{t_0}^{t} \vec{F}(\vec{r}(t))\cdot \vec{v}(t)dt$$

and so

$$\frac{dW}{dt}=\vec{F}(\vec{r}(t))\cdot \vec{v}(t)$$
 
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zenterix said:
After writing out the question I realized that

$$W=\int_C \vec{F}\cdot d\vec{r}$$

$$=\int_{t_0}^{t} \vec{F}(\vec{r}(t))\cdot \vec{v}(t)dt$$

and so

$$\frac{dW}{dt}=\vec{F}(\vec{r}(t))\cdot \vec{v}(t)$$
This is correct.

There is a simpler and more understandable approach.
The rate at which work is done is power by definition, so:

## P = \frac {dW} {dt} = \frac {d} {dt} (\vec F \cdot \vec r) = \vec F \cdot \frac {d\vec r} {dt} = \vec F \cdot \vec v ##

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Gavran said:
There is a simpler and more understandable approach.

Which is not general since you used a very narrow, high-school definition of work.
 
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weirdoguy said:
Which is not general since you used a very narrow, high-school definition of work.
Power is the rate at which work is done is definition of power, not of work. This definition was used here to make the answer to the question how to arrive at ## \vec F \cdot \vec v ## as the rate that work is done more complete.
 
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Gavran said:
Power is the rate at which work is done is definition of power, not of work.

I know, but you used high-school definition of work: ##\vec{F}\cdot\vec{r}##. Thus your approach is not general. @zenterix approach is the most general.
 
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Gavran said:
is definition of power

Also, the more general definition is the rate at which energy is transferred. Work is not the only way to transfer energy, there is also heat.
 

Related to Rate of work done by F on charge carrier with average velocity v

What is the formula for the rate of work done by a force F on a charge carrier with average velocity v?

The formula for the rate of work done by a force F on a charge carrier with average velocity v is given by the dot product of the force and the velocity vectors: P = F · v, where P is the power, F is the force, and v is the velocity.

How is the rate of work done by F related to the electric field E and charge q?

The rate of work done by the force F on a charge carrier can be expressed in terms of the electric field E and the charge q as P = qE · v, where P is the power, q is the charge, E is the electric field, and v is the average velocity of the charge carrier.

What units are used to measure the rate of work done by a force on a charge carrier?

The rate of work done by a force on a charge carrier is measured in watts (W), where 1 watt is equivalent to 1 joule per second (1 W = 1 J/s).

How does the direction of the force F affect the rate of work done on the charge carrier?

The direction of the force F relative to the velocity v affects the rate of work done. If the force is in the same direction as the velocity, the work done is positive, indicating that energy is being transferred to the charge carrier. If the force is in the opposite direction, the work done is negative, indicating that energy is being taken from the charge carrier.

Can the rate of work done by a force on a charge carrier be zero?

Yes, the rate of work done by a force on a charge carrier can be zero if the force is perpendicular to the velocity of the charge carrier. In this case, the dot product F · v equals zero, resulting in no power transfer.

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