Ratio of volumes in a vertical cylinder with a piston

In summary, the ratio of volumes in a vertical cylinder with a piston refers to the relationship between the volume of the cylinder and the volume of the piston as it moves within the cylinder. This ratio is crucial for understanding the mechanical advantage and efficiency of the system, as it affects the pressure and force exerted by the piston. The volume ratio can be influenced by the dimensions of the cylinder and piston, as well as the stroke length of the piston.
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Homework Statement
A vertical cylinder closed at both ends is separated into two compartments by a movable piston of negligible volume. In the two compartments there are equal masses of the same ideal gas, at the same temperature T₁. At equilibrium, the ratio of the volumes of the two compartments is k = 3.
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What will be the ratio of the two volumes, if the temperature rises to 4T₁/3?
First, I thought of the forces which are acting upon the piston.
F1 + G = F2, where F1 = p1 * S and F2 = p2 * S
p1 + mg/S = p2

I figured that before and after the gas' temperature rises, the piston has to be at equilibrium, so p2 - p1 = p2' - p1'.

p1V1 = niu * R * T1
p2V2 = niu * R * T1 => p1V1 = p2V2, but V1/V2 = k = 3. so p1/p2 = 1/3, so p2 = 3p1.

Nothing that I think of adds up to anything, the correct answer is: sqrt(2) + 1.
 
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danut said:
First, I thought of the forces which are acting upon the piston.
F1 + G = F2, where F1 = p1 * S and F2 = p2 * S
p1 + mg/S = p2
We can probably guess what G and S represent, but you should always define your notation.

danut said:
I figured that before and after the gas' temperature rises, the piston has to be at equilibrium, so p2 - p1 = p2' - p1'.
OK.

Hint: Let ##V_0## be the total volume of the cylinder. Can you express ##V_1## in terms of ##V_0## and ##k##? Likewise for ##V_2##.
 
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TSny said:
We can probably guess what G and S represent, but you should always define your notation.
I apologize and thank you, will do that from now on!!
So V1 = V0*k/(k+1) and V2 = V0/(k+1).

I wrote the equation p2 - p1 = p2' - p1' in terms of ν, R, T and the corresponding volumes and finally got the correct answer!! Thank you so much, I've struggled with this problem for the longest time.
 
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Great! Good work.
 
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FAQ: Ratio of volumes in a vertical cylinder with a piston

What is the ratio of volumes in a vertical cylinder with a piston?

The ratio of volumes in a vertical cylinder with a piston refers to the relationship between the volume of the gas or fluid inside the cylinder and the volume of the cylinder itself. It can be calculated using the formula: Volume ratio = Volume of gas (V_gas) / Total cylinder volume (V_cylinder).

How do you calculate the volume of a vertical cylinder?

The volume of a vertical cylinder can be calculated using the formula: V_cylinder = π * r² * h, where r is the radius of the base of the cylinder, h is the height of the cylinder, and π (pi) is approximately 3.14159.

What factors affect the volume ratio in a cylinder with a piston?

Factors that affect the volume ratio in a cylinder with a piston include the diameter and height of the cylinder, the position of the piston (how far it is pushed or pulled), and the temperature and pressure of the gas or fluid inside the cylinder.

How does the position of the piston influence the volume ratio?

The position of the piston directly influences the volume of gas or fluid in the cylinder. As the piston moves up or down, it changes the height of the gas column, thereby altering the volume of gas and affecting the volume ratio. A higher piston position generally results in a lower gas volume and vice versa.

Why is understanding volume ratios important in engineering applications?

Understanding volume ratios is crucial in engineering applications such as hydraulic systems, combustion engines, and pneumatic devices. It helps engineers design systems that operate efficiently, predict performance under different conditions, and ensure safety by managing pressure and volume changes effectively.

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