Rational: $(p^2+1)(q^2+1)(r^2+1)$ is Square

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In summary, for $p,q,r$ as rational numbers, if $pq+qr+rp=1$, then $(p^2+1)(q^2+1)(r^2+1)$ is the square of the rational number $\lambda - \nu$, where $\lambda = p+q+r$ and $\nu = pqr$. This can be shown by considering the equation with roots $p,q,r$ and the equation with roots $p^2,q^2,r^2$, and using substitution and expansion to arrive at the product of the roots being $(\lambda - \nu)^2$.
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Show that for $p,q,r$ if $pq+qr+rp=1$ then $(p^2+1)(q^2+1)(r^2+1)$ is square of rational number
 
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Are $p,\, q$ and $r$ rational numbers?
 
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Euge said:
Are $p,\, q$ and $r$ rational numbers?

Thanks for pinpointing. They are rational.
 
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Ok then, here's my solution.

We have

$\displaystyle (p^2+1)(q^2+1)(r^2+1)$

$\displaystyle = (pqr)^2 + [(pq)^2 + (qr)^2 + (rp)^2] + (p^2 + q^2 + r^2) + 1$

$\displaystyle = (pqr)^2 + [(pq+qr+rp)^2-2(pqr)(p+q+r)] + [(p+q+r)^2-2(pq+qr+rp)] + 1$

$\displaystyle = (pqr)^2 + [1 - 2(pqr)(p+q+r)] + [(p+q+r)^2-2] + 1$

$\displaystyle = (pqr)^2 - 2(pqr)(p+q+r) + (p+q+r)^2$

$\displaystyle = (pqr - p - q - r)^2$.

Since $p,\, q$ and $r$ are rational, so is $pqr - p - q - r$. Thus we have shown that $(p^2+1)(q^2+1)(r^2+1)$ is the square of the rational number $pqr-p-q-r$.
 
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Another solution:
[sp]Let $x^3 - \lambda x^2 + x - \nu = 0$ be the equation with roots $p,q,r$ (so that $\lambda = p+q+r$ and $\nu = pqr$, the coefficient of $x$ being $qr+rp+pq = 1$).

The equation with roots $p^2,q^2,r^2$ is $x^{3/2} - \lambda x + x^{1 /2} - \nu = 0$, or $x^{1 /2}(x+1) = \lambda x + \nu$, or $x(x+1)^2 = \lambda^2x^2 + 2\lambda\nu x + \nu^2$.

The equation with roots $p^2+1, q^2+1, r^2+1$ is obtained by substituting $x-1$ for $x$ in that last equation, getting $(x-1)x^2 = \lambda^2(x-1)^2 + 2\lambda\nu (x-1) + \nu^2$, or $x^3 - (1+\lambda^2)x^2 + 2\lambda(\lambda-\nu)x - (\lambda^2 - 2\lambda\nu + \nu^2) = 0$. The product of the roots of that equation is $(p^2+1)(q^2+1)(r^2+1) = \lambda^2 - 2\lambda\nu + \nu^2 = (\lambda - \nu)^2$, which is the square of the rational number $\lambda - \nu$.[/sp]
 
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2 excellent solutions above. Here is mine and definitely more complex and hence not elegant

$pq+qr+rp = 1$

so $p = \dfrac{1-qr}{q+r}$
Here I may mention that if $q+r = 0$ the we can permute $p,q,r$ such that q+r is not zero

if we chose $q =\ tan\, A$ and $r =\ tan\ B$
we get

$\frac{1}{p} =\dfrac{q+r}{1-qr} =\dfrac {(\tan\ A +\ tan\ B}{(1- \tan\ A\ tan\ B}=\ tan (A+B)$

or $p = \cot (A+B)$

we can chose q and r to be <1 in case we want positive else even -ve also
$(p^2+1) (q^2+1)(r^2+ 1)$
= $\sec^2 A\ \sec ^2 B\ \csc^2 (A+B)$
= $\dfrac{(\sec^2 A\ \ sec^2 B}{\sin^2 (A+B)}$
this is square of reciprocal of $\ sin (A+B)\ cos\ A\ \cos\ B$
$\sin (A+B) \cos\ A\ \cos B$
=$( \sin\ A\ \cos B + \cos\ A\ \sin B)cos\ A\ \ cos\ B$
=$ \sin\ A\ \cos \ A\ \cos ^2B +\ cos^2 A \ \sin B\ \ cos B$
=$\tan\ A\ \ cos ^2 A\ \ cos ^2 B +\ tan\ B \ \
cos ^2 A\ \ cos ^2 B$
= ${(\tan\ A + \tan\ B)}{/(\sec^2 A\ \sec ^2B)}$
= $\dfrac{tan\ A + tan\ B}{(1+ tan ^2 A)(1+ tan ^2B)}$

so $(p^2+1) (q^2+1)(r^2+ 1)$
= $\dfrac{((1+ \tan ^2 A )(1+\tan ^2B)}{(\tan \ A +\ tan B))^2}$

if $ \tan \ A$ and $tan\ B$ that is q and r are rational then

$\dfrac{(1+ \tan ^2 A)(1+\tan ^2B)}{(\tan\ A +\tan\ B)}$ is rational and so $(p^2 +1)(q^2+1)(r^2 +1)$ is the square of a rational no.
 

Related to Rational: $(p^2+1)(q^2+1)(r^2+1)$ is Square

1. What does it mean for a number to be "rational"?

A rational number is any number that can be expressed as a ratio of two integers, such as 1/2, 3/5, or -4/7. This means that the number can be written in the form of p/q, where p and q are integers and q is not equal to 0.

2. How do you determine if $(p^2+1)(q^2+1)(r^2+1)$ is a square number?

In order for a number to be considered a square, it must be the result of multiplying an integer by itself. To determine if $(p^2+1)(q^2+1)(r^2+1)$ is a square, you can expand the expression and see if it can be simplified to the form of n^2, where n is an integer.

3. Can you provide an example of a number that satisfies the equation $(p^2+1)(q^2+1)(r^2+1) = n^2$?

One example of a number that satisfies the equation is 15^2. When p=2, q=3, and r=4, the expression becomes (2^2+1)(3^2+1)(4^2+1) = (4+1)(9+1)(16+1) = 5*10*17 = 850. And the square root of 850 is 29, making it a perfect square.

4. Are there any other properties or patterns associated with numbers of the form $(p^2+1)(q^2+1)(r^2+1)$?

Yes, there are several other interesting properties and patterns associated with these types of numbers. For example, they are always even, as they will always have at least one factor of 2. They also cannot be a perfect square themselves, as the expression will always have a prime factor of the form 4k+3. Additionally, these numbers have a special connection to Pythagorean triples, as they can be expressed as the sum of two squares.

5. How is the concept of "rational" related to the equation $(p^2+1)(q^2+1)(r^2+1) = n^2$ being a square number?

The concept of rational numbers is related to this equation in the sense that, for the equation to result in a square number, the individual factors (p^2+1), (q^2+1), and (r^2+1) must also be rational numbers. This is because a rational number multiplied by another rational number will always result in a rational number, and a square number is a type of rational number. Therefore, in order for the equation to be satisfied, all of the factors must be rational numbers.

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