Re-Defining Log: Can We Make it Intuitive?

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In summary, the conversation discusses the possibility of redefining the complex logarithm function, Log, to be defined on the complex plane C\[0,infinity), which would result in the exclusion of Log(5) in its domain. The confusion arises from the fact that the original definition of Log is the conventional branch, and it is unclear what the implications of choosing a different branch would be.
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Would it be okay to redefine the complex definition of Log and define it for example C\[0,infinity)?

I guess then you would have Log z = log |z| + i Arg(z)

where -Pi<=Arg(z)<Pi

Everything would work fine?

But then you can't have Log 5 for example which would be very counter unintuitive.
 
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Why can't you have Log 5? I see no problems with that. You can redefine anything you want - how useful it ends up being in its applications is another question though.
 
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Why can't you have Log 5? I see no problems with that. You can redefine anything you want - how useful it ends up being in its applications is another question though.

To have a Log function defined on the complex plane, you need a branch cut somewhere. Exactly where is arbitary right? So what happens if you choose the positive real line? You'd lose Log (r) for r in the positive reals, including Log(5).
 
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Assuming log(x) is the logarithim function of the reals, and Log (x) is the complex function you wish to define, your definition gives Log (5) = log |5| + i arg ( 5 + 0i) = log 5 + i*0 = log 5.

I must admit I am somewhat confused as to what is actually happening here - what you gave in the original post is the conventional branch anyway - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Complex_logarithm#Log.28z.29_as_the_inverse_of_the_exponential_function

It should be assuming log(|x|) is the logarithm of the reals. I'm just saying since the branch cut can be applied anywhere, what happens if we apply it on the real line? Then we don't have Log(5). Then that wouldn't be a good definition would it?
 

FAQ: Re-Defining Log: Can We Make it Intuitive?

What is the purpose of re-defining log?

The purpose of re-defining log is to make it more intuitive and easier to understand for non-mathematical individuals. Logarithms are commonly used in various scientific fields, and by re-defining them, we can make them more accessible to a wider audience.

How do we currently use logarithms?

Logarithms are primarily used to solve exponential equations, convert between exponential and logarithmic forms, and to represent data on a logarithmic scale. They are also commonly used in financial calculations, acoustics, and signal processing.

What are the challenges in understanding logarithms?

One of the main challenges in understanding logarithms is their abstract nature. They are not tangible objects, and their properties can be difficult to grasp without a strong mathematical background. Additionally, the traditional notation and terminology used for logarithms can be confusing for non-mathematical individuals.

How can we make logarithms more intuitive?

One approach to making logarithms more intuitive is by using visual representations, such as graphs or diagrams. This can help individuals understand the relationship between logarithms and exponentials. Additionally, using everyday examples and practical applications can also make logarithms easier to understand.

Are there any alternative methods for re-defining log?

Yes, there are alternative methods for re-defining log, such as changing the notation and terminology used for logarithms or introducing a new system altogether. Some researchers have also proposed using different base values for logarithms, such as base 2 or base 10, to make them more intuitive.

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