Real Solutions to $a-b+c-d=0; ab=cd; a^2-b^2+c^2-d^2=-24;a^2+b^2+c^2+d^2=50$

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In summary, the given system of equations consists of four equations: $a-b+c-d=0$, $ab=cd$, $a^2-b^2+c^2-d^2=-24$, and $a^2+b^2+c^2+d^2=50$. By observing that $(a+b)^2 = (c+d)^2$, we can determine that both $a+b=c+d$ and $a+b=-(c+d)$ are possible solutions. However, after checking both cases, it is determined that only $a+b=c+d$ holds true for this specific system. Therefore, the real solutions to the system are $a=b=2$, $c=d=1$, and the sum of the
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$a-b+c-d=0$

$ab=cd$

$a^2-b^2+c^2-d^2=-24$

$a^2+b^2+c^2+d^2=50$
 
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We are given
a- b + c - d = 0 ... (1)

ab = cd ...(2)

$a^2 - b^2 + c^2 - d^2 = - 24$ ...(3)

$ a^2 + b^2 + c^2 + d^2 = 50 $...(4)

from (1)
a- b = d- c... (5)

square above and using (2)
$(a-b)^2 + 4ab = (c-d)^2 + 4cd$
or $(a+b)^2 = (c+d)^2$
so $a + b = c + d$ ... (6)

or $a+ b = -c - d$ ..(7)

from (5) and (6) a = d and b= c but it is not possible as LHS of (3) is zero which is contradiction

from (5) and (7) a = -c and b = - d

so we get from (3) and (4)

$a^2 - b^2 = - 12$

$a^2 + b^2 = 25$

add above to get $2 a^2 = 13$, subtract to get $2b^2 = 37$
this gives 4 set of solutions

(a,b,c,d) = $(\sqrt\frac{13}{2},\sqrt\frac{37}{2},-\sqrt\frac{13}{2},-\sqrt\frac{37}{2})$

or $(\sqrt\frac{13}{2},-\sqrt\frac{37}{2},-\sqrt\frac{13}{2},\sqrt\frac{37}{2})$

or $(-\sqrt\frac{13}{2},-\sqrt\frac{37}{2},\sqrt\frac{13}{2},\sqrt\frac{37}{2})$

or $(-\sqrt\frac{13}{2},\sqrt\frac{37}{2},\sqrt\frac{13}{2},-\sqrt\frac{37}{2})$
 
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kaliprasad said:
We are given
a- b + c - d = 0 ... (1)

ab = cd ...(2)

$a^2 - b^2 + c^2 - d^2 = - 24$ ...(3)

$ a^2 + b^2 + c^2 + d^2 = 50 $...(4)

from (1)
a- b = d- c... (5)

square above and using (2)
$(a-b)^2 + 4ab = (c-d)^2 + 4cd$
or $(a+b)^2 = (c+d)^2$
so $a + b = c + d$ ... (6)

or $a+ b = -c - d$ ..(7)

from (5) and (6) a = d and b= c but it is not possible as LHS of (3) is zero which is contradiction

from (5) and (7) a = -c and b = - d

so we get from (3) and (4)

$a^2 - b^2 = - 12$

$a^2 + b^2 = 25$

add above to get $2 a^2 = 13$, subtract to get $2b^2 = 37$
this gives 4 set of solutions

(a,b,c,d) = $(\sqrt\frac{13}{2},\sqrt\frac{37}{2},-\sqrt\frac{13}{2},-\sqrt\frac{37}{2})$

or $(\sqrt\frac{13}{2},-\sqrt\frac{37}{2},-\sqrt\frac{13}{2},\sqrt\frac{37}{2})$

or $(-\sqrt\frac{13}{2},-\sqrt\frac{37}{2},\sqrt\frac{13}{2},\sqrt\frac{37}{2})$

or $(-\sqrt\frac{13}{2},\sqrt\frac{37}{2},\sqrt\frac{13}{2},-\sqrt\frac{37}{2})$

Nice solution!(Cool)(Sun) I especially like how you observed if $(a+b)^2 = (c+d)^2$, then both $a+b=c+d$ or $a+b=-(c+d)$ hold true for general case but then we need to choose wisely which one only works for our case . I mean, we all know we should put the plus minus sign when taking square root, but it seems so brilliant to apply it in question such as this one, and I learned quite a bit from you, kali!
 
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anemone said:
Nice solution!(Cool)(Sun) I especially like how you observed if $(a+b)^2 = (c+d)^2$, then both $a+b=c+d$ or $a+b=-(c+d)$ hold true for general case but then we need to choose wisely which one only works for our case . I mean, we all know we should put the plus minus sign when taking square root, but it seems so brilliant to apply it in question such as this one, and I learned quite a bit from you, kali!

Thanks anemone, I checked for both cases and saw that one works and another does not. so I removed the erroneous case.
 
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After analyzing the given system of equations, it can be observed that there are four variables (a, b, c, and d) and four equations. This suggests that there will be a unique solution for each variable.

To solve this system, we can use substitution and elimination methods. First, we can rearrange the first equation to get $a=b-d+c$. Then, we can substitute this value into the second equation to get $b(b-d+c)=cd$. Similarly, we can substitute the values of a and b into the third and fourth equations to get $a^2=(b-d+c)^2$, $b^2=b^2$, $c^2=(b-d+c)^2$, and $d^2=d^2$.

Next, we can use the equation $ab=cd$ to eliminate variables. Using the values obtained from substitution, we can rewrite this equation as $b(b-d+c)=(b-d+c)^2$. Simplifying this equation, we get $b^2-bd+bc=b^2-2bd+d^2+c^2-2cd+2bc$. Cancelling out the common terms, we get $bd=cd$. Dividing both sides by d, we get $b=c$.

Now, we can substitute the value of b=c into the first equation to get $a=c-d+c$. Simplifying this, we get $a=2c-d$. Similarly, we can substitute the values of a and b into the third and fourth equations to get $a^2=(2c-d)^2$, $b^2=c^2$, $c^2=(2c-d)^2$, and $d^2=d^2$.

Using the third and fourth equations, we can eliminate the variable d. Subtracting the third equation from the fourth equation, we get $c^2-(2c-d)^2=0$. Simplifying this, we get $c^2-4c^2+4cd-d^2=0$. Using the first equation, we can substitute $d=c-a+c$ into this equation to get $c^2-4c^2+4c(c-a+c)-(c-a+c)^2=0$. Simplifying this, we get $a^2-4ac+2c^2=0$.

Using the quadratic formula, we can solve for c. Substituting the values of a and
 

FAQ: Real Solutions to $a-b+c-d=0; ab=cd; a^2-b^2+c^2-d^2=-24;a^2+b^2+c^2+d^2=50$

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$a-b+c-d=0; ab=cd; a^2-b^2+c^2-d^2=-24;a^2+b^2+c^2+d^2=50$

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The equations in this problem represent a system of equations with four unknown variables (a, b, c, and d). The first equation represents the sum of the four variables being equal to zero, the second equation represents their product being equal, the third equation represents their squared values having a certain difference, and the fourth equation represents their squared values having a certain sum.

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