Graduate Relative sign in diagrams for ##Z##-boson exchange for ##WW## scattering

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The discussion focuses on the scattering process of W bosons mediated by Z-boson exchange and the significance of a relative minus sign between matrix elements in the diagrams. Participants debate the role of Fermi-Dirac statistics in explaining this minus sign, particularly in relation to potential closed loops. Clarifications are sought regarding the application of these statistics to W and Z bosons, as well as the absence of a u-channel process in this context. The conversation highlights the complexity of interpreting the diagrams and the need for a deeper understanding of particle interactions. Overall, the discussion emphasizes the intricacies of particle physics in the context of W and Z boson interactions.
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Consider the scattering process ##W^{+}W^{-} \to W^{+}W^{-}##. This process is mediated in the Standard Model by

1. a four-##W## scattering,
2. ##Z##-boson exchange,
3. Higgs exchange.

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Let us consider the diagrams for ##Z##-boson exchange:

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Why is there a relative minus sign between the matrix elements for the two diagrams?
 
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Newbie here...have you considered that the relative minus sign btwn two terms is dictated by the Fermi-Dirac stats? something about a possible closed loop - which carries the extra minus sign.

I hope this helps.

Deneen
 
Could you be more specific?
 
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how can you use Fermi-Dirac statistics for W/Z bosons?
Also I think that that minus sign mentioned in your reference appears between t- and u- channels...
 
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@spaghetti3451 Could you explain why you think there should be a relative minus in the first place for this process? There is no u channel process here in the case of a Z mediator.
 

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