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Is there a relativistic formulation of the de Broglie wave length equation?
if you use the relativistic invariantdextercioby said:What do you mean...?U mean if one can use in
[tex] \lambda_{pilot wave}=\frac{h}{p_{particle}} [/tex]
the relativistic expression of momentum
[tex] p=\gamma m v [/tex]
,or something totally different...?
Daniel.
metrictensor said:[tex]E^2=h^2f^2 \bigg(\frac{c^2}{v^2}\bigg) + m^2c^4[/tex].
When v -> 0 this should reduce to the rest energy but we get an infinity in the second term.
jtbell said:You got that equation using [itex]v = f \lambda[/itex], right? In that equation, [itex]v[/itex] is the phase velocity of a wave, [itex]v_{phase}[/itex], which is not equal to the particle velocity, [itex]v_{particle}[/itex].
[tex]v_{phase} = \frac {\omega}{k} = \frac {E}{p} = \frac {\gamma mc^2} {\gamma mv_{particle}} = \frac {c}{v_{particle}} [/tex]
So [itex]v_{phase}[/itex] goes to infinity as [itex]v_{particle}[/itex] goes to zero, and your equation above goes to [itex]E = m c^2[/itex] as expected.
To get a realistic wave function for a particle, we have to add (actually, integrate) a bunch of waves with different frequencies and wavelengths to form a wave packet. The group velocity of the packet is
[tex]v_{group} = \frac {d \omega} {dk}[/tex]
which does turn out to equal [itex]v_{particle}[/itex].
Comparing this with the non-relativistic phase velocity:jtbell said:You got that equation using [itex]v = f \lambda[/itex], right? In that equation, [itex]v[/itex] is the phase velocity of a wave, [itex]v_{phase}[/itex], which is not equal to the particle velocity, [itex]v_{particle}[/itex].
[tex]v_{phase} = \frac {\omega}{k} = \frac {E}{p} = \frac {\gamma mc^2} {\gamma mv_{particle}} = \frac {c}{v_{particle}} [/tex]
So [itex]v_{phase}[/itex] goes to infinity as [itex]v_{particle}[/itex] goes to zero, and your equation above goes to [itex]E = m c^2[/itex] as expected.
To get a realistic wave function for a particle, we have to add (actually, integrate) a bunch of waves with different frequencies and wavelengths to form a wave packet. The group velocity of the packet is
[tex]v_{group} = \frac {d \omega} {dk}[/tex]
which does turn out to equal [itex]v_{particle}[/itex].
dextercioby said:You simply can't measure the phase velocity of a particle. IIRC, it's [itex] \frac{c^{2}}{v} [/itex] ,therefore hyperluminal, so it can't be measured.
Daniel.
mingshey said:So, if you can find a method for measuring the phase velocity of a particle, it would be another criterion for the validity of relativistic theory. Or, is there one?
jtbell said:It's the same basic equation as the non-relativistic one:
[tex]\lambda = \frac {h}{p}[/tex]
Simply use the relativistic momentum
[tex]p = \frac {mv} {\sqrt {1 - v^2 / c^2}} [/tex]
instead of the non-relativistic [itex]p = mv[/itex].
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KFC said:With this result, so if the particle move extremely fast (close to speed of light), what's the result of de Broglie wavelength? zero?
What I confuse is if the momentum in relativistic limit change to [tex]p = \gamma mv [/tex], so do we need to apply the length contraction rule to wavelength? Why if not?
The Relativistic de Broglie Wavelength is a concept in physics that describes the wavelength of a particle with relativistic speeds. It is derived from the de Broglie wavelength, which is the wavelength of a particle with non-relativistic speeds, and takes into account the effects of special relativity.
The formula for calculating the Relativistic de Broglie Wavelength is λ = h/p, where λ is the wavelength, h is the Planck's constant, and p is the momentum of the particle. In the case of relativistic speeds, the momentum is given by p = γmv, where γ is the Lorentz factor, m is the mass of the particle, and v is its velocity.
The Relativistic de Broglie Wavelength is significant because it shows the wave-like nature of matter, even at high speeds. It also helps in understanding the behavior of particles at the quantum level and has important implications in fields such as particle physics and quantum mechanics.
The Uncertainty Principle states that it is impossible to know both the position and momentum of a particle with absolute certainty. The Relativistic de Broglie Wavelength is related to this principle because it represents the uncertainty in the momentum of a particle due to its wave-like nature. The smaller the wavelength, the more uncertain the momentum becomes.
Yes, the Relativistic de Broglie Wavelength has been observed in various experiments with particles, such as electrons and protons, traveling at high speeds. It has also been observed in phenomena such as electron diffraction and particle accelerators. However, the effects of the Relativistic de Broglie Wavelength are typically only significant at very small scales and high speeds.