Repeated Collision: Find Minimum Mass M

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In summary, the conversation discusses finding the minimum mass M that will allow for a second collision between M, two masses m, and a spring. It is stated that the initial velocity of M is v0 and the surface is frictionless. The conditions for a second collision are that the velocity of M after the first collision must be less than the velocity of the spring-mass system. The condition for this to occur is Mmin = 2m. The time between the two collisions can be found by determining when the position of the reduced mass is zero, or using the equation t = pi/omega, where omega = sqrt(k/reduced mass).
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I have checked mine several times as well and obtained the following:
vM = (Mv0 - 2mv1)/M
v1 = Mv0/(M+m)
Hence,
vM=v0(M-m)/(M+m)
 
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Chestermiller said:
Uh Oh. I check it numerous times too, and got 2Mv0/(m+M). Here is the sequence of steps:

I started with the following:
[tex]v_M=v_0\frac{M-m}{M+m}[/tex]
[tex]v_1=\frac{M(v_0-v_M)}{m}[/tex]

Substituting the first equation into the second equation, I get:
[tex]v_1=\frac{Mv_0}{m}\left(1-\frac{(M-m)}{(M+m)}\right)=\frac{Mv_0}{m}\frac{(M+m)-(M-m)}{(M+m)}=\frac{Mv_0}{m}\frac{2m}{(M+m)}=\frac{2Mv_0}{M+m}[/tex]
I can't see where I made a mistake.

I get the same. peripatein, please post your calculation.
what do you mean by "sketch that"?
Sketching is not the same as solving graphically (which requires an accurate drawing).
I was trying to get you to see that the straight line representing the subsequent motion of M had to be tangential to the curve for the motion of m. This is the same as Chester's observation that the velocities must match as well as the positions, and therefore produces the same equation.
 
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I am going to leave it the way it is, so no need to repost. In any case, it doesn't matter much. The physics is the essence.
But thank you very much for your help; I am sincerely grateful! :)
 
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peripatein said:
I have checked mine several times as well and obtained the following:
vM = (Mv0 - 2mv1)/M
v1 = Mv0/(M+m)
Hence,
vM=v0(M-m)/(M+m)
The first of these equations is not consistent with the momentum balance. Where did the 2 come from? See post #6 by fightfish (which is correct).
 
  • #40
peripatein said:
Adding that latter condition, I finally obtained:
tg(x)=x
where x=wt
That gives t~4.49/w
This result for x is approximately correct. So, m/M=-cos(4.49) is the solution you have been looking for. That completes the solution.
 

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