Replacing Lagrangian L with function f(L) for free particle

In summary, when given a Lagrangian for a system of free particle(s) and dL/dt=0, any twice differentiable function f(L) will produce the same equations of motion as the original Lagrangian. This can be shown by substituting f(L) into the Euler-Lagrange equations and using chain rule. The resulting equations will be multiplied by f'(L), but it can be argued that this can be divided out, resulting in the same equations of motion.
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Homework Statement


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If L is Lagrangian for a (system of) free particle(s) and dL/dt=0, show that any twice differentiable function f(L) gives the same equations of motions.

Homework Equations


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Euler-Lagrange equations.

The Attempt at a Solution



Well, after some calculation, I get [itеx] $\frac{d}{dt}\frac{\partial f}{\partial \dot{r}}-\frac{\partial f}{\partial r}=0$ [/itеx].

Can I conclude from this that f(L) gives the same equations of motion? If not, what should I do?
 
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Well, in my Latex the command worked as should do. I don't know why in my previous message the equation didn't show up. :(
 
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Substitute the lagrangian with f in the euler-lagrange equations. Then use chainrule.
 
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exclamationmarkX10 said:
Substitute the lagrangian with f in the euler-lagrange equations. Then use chainrule.

Thank you for your suggestion. I already did that and got zero as a result. What should I conclude from that?
 
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nikolafmf said:
Thank you for your suggestion. I already did that and got zero as a result. What should I conclude from that?

After that, you should get the same equations of motion except they are multiplied by [itex]f\prime(L)[/itex]. You have to then argue that you can divide out the [itex]f\prime(L)[/itex].
 
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FAQ: Replacing Lagrangian L with function f(L) for free particle

What is the significance of replacing Lagrangian L with a function f(L) for a free particle?

Replacing Lagrangian L with a function f(L) allows for a more general and flexible approach to studying the dynamics of a free particle. It allows for the incorporation of additional variables and parameters, making it possible to analyze more complex systems.

How does the choice of function f(L) affect the behavior of the free particle?

The function f(L) can greatly impact the behavior of the free particle. For example, different choices of f(L) can result in different equations of motion and therefore, different trajectories for the particle. The behavior of the particle can also be affected by the properties of the function, such as its derivatives and boundary conditions.

What are the advantages of using a function f(L) instead of the traditional Lagrangian L for a free particle?

Using a function f(L) offers several advantages over the traditional Lagrangian L. For one, it allows for a more general approach to studying the dynamics of the particle. Additionally, it can provide more information about the system, such as the energy and momentum of the particle, which may not be easily obtained from the traditional Lagrangian.

Can function f(L) be used to study the dynamics of particles in non-free systems?

Yes, function f(L) can be used to study the dynamics of particles in non-free systems. This is because the function can be adapted to incorporate additional variables and parameters, making it applicable to a wider range of systems. However, the choice of function may need to be carefully considered in order to accurately model the dynamics of the non-free system.

How is the function f(L) determined for a specific free particle system?

The function f(L) is typically determined by analyzing the properties and constraints of the system. This can include considering the energy and momentum of the particle, as well as any external forces or potentials acting on it. The function can also be chosen based on mathematical convenience or to match experimental data.

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