Retaking Classes at the college level

[Jeremy]

i have talked to at least two people who have said they they have/will retake all the AP/college courses they took in high school at whatever university they are going to.

one friend plans on retaking calculus (from 1) because, supposedly, it will be under better teachers. he also says that he doesn't want to work extremely hard right out of the gate

also, a teacher said that he knew a guy from when he went to college that, though he took 3 years of calculus in high school, restarted with calc 1 at college. this student only went to 5 classes all year (the tests) and aced them all so that he could up his GPA without having to do hardly any work.

what do you make of this? i don't struggle at all in calculus or physics. in fact i am at the top of my classes. i plan on taking calc BC and physics C so that i can skip way ahead (hopefully). will i be putting myself under a lot of stress starting off with calculus 3 and thermodynamics?

btw i am doing mechanical engineering at the university of illinois.

furthermore, i am considering taking calculus 3 either online from UIUC or from a nearby junior college during the summer. good or bad idea?

thank you

 

[Nothing000]

I took calc 1 at a Community College and I got accepted to a University a few days before that class ended. I got an A in the class, but I was scared that I would not be ready for calc 2 at the university, because I figured that the community college didn't cover everything that would be covered in calc one at the university level. I also thought that the University would have covered the material much more rigerously. So I ended up retaking calc 1 once I got to the University.
And it turned out that we covered less information at the university than we did at the community college! They covered the material with the same rigor, but not as many topics were covered.
I felt very dumb for retaking the class because this set me back a whole semester in my math classes.
So my advice to you is to TALK TO A COUNCILOR AT THE UNIVERSITY and ask them exactly what they cover in their classes. And if they don't know, talk to a professor that teaches the stuff before deciding.

 

[JasonRox]

So my advice to you is to TALK TO A COUNCILOR AT THE UNIVERSITY and ask them exactly what they cover in their classes. And if they don't know, talk to a professor that teaches the stuff before deciding.

Yeah, that's the best advice.

Sometimes it will be enough, more or not enough.

 

[chroot]

I got 54 hours of college credit from IB and AP courses, including two semester of calculus and all my history, english, foreign language, and cultural studies requirements.

The downside was that I was plunged directly into upper-division engineering classes as a clueless freshman, and it took me a few semesters to acclimatize and begin making decent grades.

- Warren

 

[JasonRox]

I got 54 hours of college credit from IB and AP courses, including two semester of calculus and all my history, english, foreign language, and cultural studies requirements.

The downside was that I was plunged directly into upper-division engineering classes as a clueless freshman, and it took me a few semesters to acclimatize and begin making decent grades.

- Warren

How well did you make out in the end?

Did you graduate yet? If yes, how well did you do?

Most importantly, how well do you feel you did?

 

[chroot]

How well did you make out in the end?

I'd say quite well. I'm a senior integrated circuit designer at a Nasdaq-100 corporation, as well as a part-time graduate student at Stanford.

Did you graduate yet? If yes, how well did you do?

I graduated with honors almost six years ago.

Most importantly, how well do you feel you did?

I can't complain.

- Warren

 

[JasonRox]

I'd say quite well. I'm a senior integrated circuit designer at a Nasdaq-100 corporation, as well as a part-time graduate student at Stanford.

I graduated with honors almost six years ago.

I can't complain.

- Warren

So, how your grades in the 1st, maybe even 2nd year, were irrelevant towards your success?

Note: Obviously you shouldn't assume life is over if you do bad in 1st/2nd year, but hard work is ahead if you want to succeed.

 

[mathwonk]

anyone who "doesn't want to work extremely hard" is doomed. he will wind up selling krystals for 75 cents. ot if lucky maybe managing a burger king.

 

[chroot]

Honestly, few high school students, even those with a lot of AP/IB experience, are really prepared for the demands of an upper-division college course. My first college math class was multivariable calculus, and it was damn hard on me. My difficulty obviously wasn't due to an aversion to hard work -- it was just a result of not having formed appropriate study habits, and a lack of familiarity with the format (only two tests all semester?!).

I wouldn't say that my first couple semesters' worth of grades were irrelevant at all, Jason -- they haunted me for the rest of my program. While I went on to make a GPA > 3.6 for five semesters straight, I still barely edged over 3.4 cumulative (the borderline for cum laude) by the time I was done.

There is no shame in taking a easier class load than you're really qualified to take for the first semester or two in school. You'll get started with a better GPA, and will have adapted to the demands of a college curriculum by the time you get hit with the really strenuous classes. You might be the brightest kid on earth, yet still have to play catch-up with your study skills.

- Warren

 

[JasonRox]

Honestly, few high school students, even those with a lot of AP/IB experience, are really prepared for the demands of an upper-division college course. My first college math class was multivariable calculus, and it was damn hard on me. My difficulty obviously wasn't due to an aversion to hard work -- it was just a result of not having formed appropriate study habits, and a lack of familiarity with the format (only two tests all semester?!).

I wouldn't say that my first couple semesters' worth of grades were irrelevant at all, Jason -- they haunted me for the rest of my program. While I went on to make a GPA > 3.6 for five semesters straight, I still barely edged over 3.4 cumulative (the borderline for cum laude) by the time I was done.

There is no shame in taking a easier class load than you're really qualified to take for the first semester or two in school. You'll get started with a better GPA, and will have adapted to the demands of a college curriculum by the time you get hit with the really strenuous classes. You might be the brightest kid on earth, yet still have to play catch-up with your study skills.

- Warren

I noticed how hard it can be to bring your average up.

It certainly isn't easy.

My first year wasn't great, but also not bad at all. After my first term in second semester, and scoring an average 12% higher than my first year overall, I still managed to only bring it up by 3%.

On the other hand, my major average probably went up like 5%.

 

[Nothing000]

My first college math class was multivariable calculus, and it was damn hard on me.

Geez! That was you first math class in college. That is pretty crazy. I don't think that I would recommend anyone to start out at that level their freshman year of college, but I see no harm is skipping calc 1, as long as he has taken a calc class already. But I really think the best thing you can do is talk to your school advisor and possibly a professor in the math dept.

 

[Nothing000]

he will wind up selling krystals for 75 cents. or if lucky maybe managing a burger king.

What do you mean selling krystals? And what is wrong with someone being a manager at a fast food restuarant. I deffinetely would not want to do it, but it takes everybody to make the world go around. Just like my dad always says: I sure am glad someone wants to be a trashman because if not the world would be one dirty place. Or something like that.

 

[Nothing000]

Are you already taking "calculus based" physics at your high school?

 

[scorpa]

Haha you guys just want to throw off the curve for the rest of us poor people who never had access to AP courses. But I can't blame you if I was in that position I would have done the same thing.

 

[JasonRox]

What do you mean selling krystals? And what is wrong with someone being a manager at a fast food restuarant. I deffinetely would not want to do it, but it takes everybody to make the world go around. Just like my dad always says: I sure am glad someone wants to be a trashman because if not the world would be one dirty place. Or something like that.

You have younger people who do the BK job, and just continually get replaced by younger people. No need for someone who's 45 to do the job.

Also, the trashman job isn't a bad one. They get paid quite well around here.

 

[Nothing000]

Trashmen make less than 14 dollars per hour. A manager of most fast food restuarants make about the same if not more.

 

[Nothing000]

You have younger people who do the BK job, and just continually get replaced by younger people. No need for someone who's 45 to do the job.

I am not talking about a person that operates the cash register. I am talking about a manager at a fast food restuarant. That is a perfectrly find carreer for many people.

 

[JasonRox]

Trashmen make less than 14 dollars per hour. A manager of most fast food restuarants make about the same if not more.

In my city you start at $18.

 

[Nothing000]

How do you know that?

 

[Nothing000]

Oh, you live in that wacky place called Canada.

 

[JasonRox]

How do you know that?

Everyone who lives here.

 

[leon1127]

I started my college life with 26 AP credits (not bad for a foreign student who took all tests in Senior year ). I consider myself a fast maths learner. But when i take my second maths class, analysis, i really have no idea what i am learing in class. There are few reasons.
most professor in my school speak english with accent. Unlike high school, teaches are mostly american and they would do the best to help you understand what they are talking about. IN university, they don't really care. They might not even pick up any homework as well. It is a heaven for slacker, nothing different for hard-working student. I am a slacker and i never do any homework. Thus i encounter impediment while i take tests for analysis. the impediemnt is caused because university is different from high school. teacher will not go over the same material after they conduct it. if you don't do your homework, you shall have no chance to see that material again until the test.
My point tring to be made is that if you have forgot everything you have learned and you are not the kind who like to "preview" b4 you go to class, you might just want to take your APs in college again just to strengthen your foundation.
Of course, if GPA is important to you, way to go!
(though, i am still going for fasttrack with 31 credtis this semester... just to test my limit (or kill my brain cell). I never really care about my GPA, and i don't have extra money for those classes)

 

[mathwonk]

perhaps my life experience is irrelevant to todays more gifted young scholars, but if of interest i will share that as a student i never tried to maximize my grades, but to maximize my learning. I had a 1.2 gpa my first year in univ., then got kicked out, worked in a factory and came back to try again.

i audited classes to learn math that i needed in my own classes, and whenever I got an A+, I transferred to a higher level, more difficult class.

at length I became a mathematician. my experience teaches that progress is proportional to work, not to prestige of school, or grades received for doing nothing.

some young persons may be misled by my idealistic teaching, but it is at their own risk. if you thinik my mathematical comments here have merit, perhaps you might have reason to believe my advice. If not, be your own guide.

Or ask Matt or Hurkyl.

 

[JasonRox]

perhaps my life experience is irrelevant to todays more gifted young scholars, but if of interest i will share that as a student i never tried to maximize my grades, but to maximize my learning. I had a 1.2 gpa my first year in univ., then got kicked out, worked in a factory and came back to try again.

i audited classes to learn math that i needed in my own classes, and whenever I got an A+, I transferred to a higher level, more difficult class.

at length I became a mathematician. my experience teaches that progress is proportional to work, not to prestige of school, or grades received for doing nothing.

some young persons may be misled by my idealistic teaching, but it is at their own risk. if you thinik my mathematical comments here have merit, perhaps you might have reason to believe my advice. If not, be your own guide.

Or ask Matt or Hurkyl.

Grades don't imply you know anything.

That's the way I look at it.

You are totally right, but I'd still like to go to a presitigious school.

 

[JasonRox]

(though, i am still going for fasttrack with 31 credtis this semester... just to test my limit (or kill my brain cell). I never really care about my GPA, and i don't have extra money for those classes)

If you're a math major, I don't recommend this.

Trust me, you need to put more emphasis on learning and absorbing the material. I highly doubt you are getting what you can out of it.

Life isn't a race by the way because if it was, I certainly wouldn't want to be winning!

 

[leon1127]

If you're a math major, I don't recommend this.

Trust me, you need to put more emphasis on learning and absorbing the material. I highly doubt you are getting what you can out of it.

Life isn't a race by the way because if it was, I certainly wouldn't want to be winning!

I agree what you say. I am doing my all my basic class this semester. After this semester, i will be able to pick my schedule. My school never think for Maths student's benefit, all maths classes are scheduled at night, and the lastest class ends at 10:30 pm. beside money concern, i am doing this becase my schedule won't be so sparse like my this semester. I am doing 19 hours in 4 year school and 12 hours in city college. b4 i register that 12 hours, i have one class in the morning, one class at noon and one class at 8 oclock at nite. my home is 20 miles away and there is no way I go back from after every class, so i fit some more classes in those BIG gap. Anyways. it is painful

 

[JasonRox]

I agree what you say. I am doing my all my basic class this semester. After this semester, i will be able to pick my schedule. My school never think for Maths student's benefit, all maths classes are scheduled at night, and the lastest class ends at 10:30 pm. beside money concern, i am doing this becase my schedule won't be so sparse like my this semester. I am doing 19 hours in 4 year school and 12 hours in city college. b4 i register that 12 hours, i have one class in the morning, one class at noon and one class at 8 oclock at nite. my home is 20 miles away and there is no way I go back from after every class, so i fit some more classes in those BIG gap. Anyways. it is painful

That sucks.

I have no early classes and no late classes.

Everyday is basically 11-3:30pm.

Do what you can to make sure the schedule get better. Good luck.

 

[Plastic Photon]

One of the more interesting things that worries me is that at my two year college the prerequesite for differential equation is not calIII, but yet, at the four year college I plan to attend differentials requires calIII prior to enrollment. I am a bit worried as to why this is and what it would mean if I took de here rather than after I transfer. Both descriptions of the class seem to be the same.

 

[Nothing000]

...at my two year college the prerequesite for differential equation is not calIII, but yet, at the four year college I plan to attend differentials requires calIII prior to enrollment...
...Both descriptions of the class seem to be the same.

I bet it is pretty much the same diff e class. At the 2 year community college I went to calc 3 was the pre-req for diff e, but here at the 4 year university I am at now calc 2 is the pre-req.

 

[JasonRox]

I bet it is pretty much the same diff e class. At the 2 year community college I went to calc 3 was the pre-req for diff e, but here at the 4 year university I am at now calc 2 is the pre-req.

This might be because it can make it easier for science students to take DE.

 

[Jeff Ford]

I'm taking Calc I at a community college after a 7 year layoff from math, having taken it at a university and as an AP class in high school. We're covering more topics with more rigor here than I ever learned the other times I took it. You definitely need to talk to and advisor at the University and compare what you'll be expected to have mastered before you decide what class to enroll in.

 

[leon1127]

I bet it is pretty much the same diff e class. At the 2 year community college I went to calc 3 was the pre-req for diff e, but here at the 4 year university I am at now calc 2 is the pre-req.

Most University offer introduction of calculus in 2 semester courses, which community college offers it in 3 semester mostly.

:JasonRox My school offers 90% of the higher level maths at night and lower during the afternoon, and i am on the line between higher and lower. Poor me

 

[Nothing000]

What math courses are you currently taking leon?

 

[leon1127]

What math courses are you currently taking leon?

I have taking Multi Cal, ODE, Lin Alg, and Concept of Cal (set theory and proof). Multi cal ODE and Concept of Cal is from 7-8:15 pm. But student must attend problem hours afterward whish is from 8:30-10:30 PM. linear algebra is from 2-2:45. i can't really work under this scheduel and they only offer one classs of those subject this semester (except linear algebra)

 

[leright]

One of the more interesting things that worries me is that at my two year college the prerequesite for differential equation is not calIII, but yet, at the four year college I plan to attend differentials requires calIII prior to enrollment. I am a bit worried as to why this is and what it would mean if I took de here rather than after I transfer. Both descriptions of the class seem to be the same.

My university is an engineering school and requires calc 3 before taking DE. However, there's not a thing in calc 3 that is needed in DE. The reason calc 3 is a pre-req is simply because of the way the flow chart for engineering students is layed out. DE is taken after calc 3 on the flow chart, so calc 3 is a pre-req to DE. That's all, really. I doubt the chair of the math department would have a problem waiving that pre-req requirement if someone for some reason NEEDED to take both DE and calc 3 at the same time, of DE before taking calc 3.

Save some money and take it at CC. They are the same class.