Rethinking infrastructure in flood prone areas

[Vanadium 50]

Just like United Airlines used to sell tickets from SJC to SFO. It was a bus.
SFO to OAK was a plane. 11 miles. Yahoo!

 

[russ_watters]

SFO to OAK was a plane. 11 miles. Yahoo!

But oh my god, the traffic.

Different times though. My dad used to take a 20 mile flight from a tiny airport in suburban Philly to PHL. The upside was skipping all the big airport BS by checking his bag at a "terminal" the size of (though it was probably a long way between terminal).

 

[Astronuc]

You can get an Amtrak ticket to Vegas. But i's a bus. :(

I missed the part about a bus connection.
https://amtrakguide.com/directions/amtrak-to-las-vegas/

Las Vegas is a popular travel destination in Nevada. Unfortunately, the city does not have an Amtrak station. The Kingman Amtrak Station in Arizona is the closest to Las Vegas, but you’ll need to rent a car there and drive about 1.5 hours.

The Kingman Station is on the Southwest Chief route that travels between Los Angeles and Chicago.

Southwest Chief would be the old ATSF (Santa Fe) mainline from Chicago to Los Angeles. This is part of BNSF. UP is the other mainline from Chicago to Los Angeles.

Also from Amtrak

There’s also a Las Vegas, New Mexico Amtrak station, just don’t get off the train there if you are trying to reach Las Vegas, NV.

Amtrak does have a route through Nevada, but up north, which serves Reno.
https://amtrakguide.com/routes/california-zephyr/
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/California_Zephyr#/media/File:Amtrak_California_Zephyr.jpg
The California Zephyr route is on part of the former Western Pacific (WP) Feather River Route line, which met up with Denver, Rio Grande & Western (DRGW) in Salt Lake City, which met the CB&Q (Burlington Route) in Denver for the trip to Chicago. WP and DRGW are now part of UP and CB&Q is part of BNSF.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/California_Zephyr

Not a lot of good options for Las Vegas, NV.
https://www.up.com/aboutup/reference/maps/system_map/index.htm

The UP's South Central Route from Denver to Los Angeles would be possible route to Las Vegas, assuming one wants to pass through Denver. From Los Angeles to Las Vegas, UP might make sense.

https://www.dot.nv.gov/home/showpublisheddocument/18710/637480313156570000

 

[Rive]

But this was a 1000 or 2000 year event in the worst hit areas.

With- or without climate change/ocean level rise factored in?

A lot of old infrastructure is expected to change in the next few decades around the shores. I won't say that this particular event was already 'that', but you can't prove that it isn't either.

The work will need to be done anyway.

 

[Astronuc]

At 8:30 p.m. Oct. 9, 2024, Hurricane Milton made landfall in Sarasota County near Siesta Key, Florida, as a Category 3 storm. Siesta Key is a barrier island off the coast of Sarasota, about 30 miles from Anna Maria Island. Another well-known area on Anna Maria Island is Bradenton Beach, Florida. After Hurricane Milton hit land, the tropical system then wreaked havoc across Central Florida before exiting out of Cape Canaveral a day later.

Hurricane Milton brought 8-10 feet of storm surge to Sarasota, destroying more than 100 homes in the area, downing trees and power lines. More than 227,000 customers in Sarasota County were without power the next day – about 76% of the county.

https://news.yahoo.com/news/heartbreaking-hurricane-milton-damage-photos-205557158.html

 

[Vanadium 50]

With- or without climate change/ocean level rise factored in?

This is exactly what I mean by "The gods ba angry".

This is a counterfactual. No way to tell. Taking it to its (ill)logical conclusion, if we all drove Priuses and voted the right way, there would never be another hurricane.

Predicting the severity of storm seasons is hard. I can show you two equally reasonable models that make very different predictions. A more productive approach than blaming storms on Bad People is to plan for them.