Ricci Scalar For Astronomical Body

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What would be a rough estimate for the Ricci scalar curvature of an astronomical object like the sun? Assuming the sun is a perfect fluid and you are calculating the rest frame of the sun, only the density component would be factored in. Assuming the sun is roughly 2*1030 kg. Please just make very simplified assumptions, I am just looking for an estimate in terms of m-2. Is it just the Einstein gravity constant times the energy density?
 
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dsaun777 said:
What would be a rough estimate for the Ricci scalar curvature of an astronomical object like the sun?
There is no such thing as "the" Ricci scalar curvature for a large object. The Ricci scalar is a quantity at a particular event in spacetime, not a global quantity.

A rough estimate of the Ricci scalar at a particular point in a perfect fluid is ##(8 \pi G / c^4) ( \rho c^2 + 3 p )##, where ##\rho## is the density and ##p## is the pressure. So you can get a rough "average" value for a large body by using average values of ##\rho## and ##p##. For most bodies, like the Sun, ##p## is so small compared to ##\rho c^2## that it can be ignored. So an "average" estimate would be ##(8 \pi G / c^2) \rho_\text{average}##. The average density is ##M / (4 \pi R^3 / 3)##, so the "average" Ricci scalar would be ##6 G M / R^3 c^2##.
 
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PeterDonis said:
The average density is ##M / (4 \pi R^3 / 3)##, so the "average" Ricci scalar would be ##6 G M / R^3 c^2##.
Yes, that is what I thought. Thanks.
 

FAQ: Ricci Scalar For Astronomical Body

What is the Ricci Scalar?

The Ricci Scalar, often denoted by \( R \), is a single number that encapsulates the curvature of a space at a point. It is derived from the Ricci curvature tensor, which itself is a trace of the Riemann curvature tensor. In the context of general relativity, the Ricci Scalar plays a crucial role in the Einstein field equations, which describe the gravitational field generated by matter and energy.

How is the Ricci Scalar related to an astronomical body?

The Ricci Scalar in the vicinity of an astronomical body provides information about the curvature of spacetime caused by the body's mass and energy. For instance, in the Schwarzschild solution, which describes the spacetime around a non-rotating spherical mass, the Ricci Scalar is zero in the vacuum outside the mass. However, within the mass distribution, the Ricci Scalar can be non-zero and provides insights into the gravitational effects of the body.

Why is the Ricci Scalar important in general relativity?

The Ricci Scalar is a key component of the Einstein-Hilbert action, which is the integral of the Ricci Scalar over spacetime and is used to derive the Einstein field equations. These equations describe how matter and energy influence the curvature of spacetime, and thus the Ricci Scalar helps in understanding the gravitational dynamics around astronomical bodies.

Can the Ricci Scalar be directly measured for an astronomical body?

Direct measurement of the Ricci Scalar is not feasible with current technology. Instead, we infer the curvature of spacetime, and hence the Ricci Scalar, through observations of gravitational effects such as the orbits of planets, the bending of light (gravitational lensing), and the behavior of objects in strong gravitational fields like black holes. These observations can be used to test and validate the predictions made by general relativity.

How does the Ricci Scalar vary for different types of astronomical bodies?

The Ricci Scalar varies depending on the mass, energy distribution, and internal structure of the astronomical body. For example, it is zero in the vacuum outside a non-rotating spherical body (Schwarzschild solution) but can be non-zero inside the body where matter and energy are present. In more complex scenarios like rotating bodies (Kerr solution) or charged bodies (Reissner-Nordström solution), the distribution and value of the Ricci Scalar can be significantly different, reflecting the more complex curvature of spacetime.

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