Undergrad Rotational-Vibrational Energy state equation derivation

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The discussion revolves around the challenges of deriving rotational-vibrational energy state equations, particularly understanding the notation used for different energy levels. Participants clarify that ##\nu', J'## and ##\nu'', J''## are labels for initial and final states in a transition, not derivatives. There is confusion regarding how to set initial values for these variables and how to manipulate the equation to incorporate specific parameters like (2##\beta## - 3##\alpha##). The need for clear explanations and guidance on these derivations is emphasized. Overall, the thread highlights the complexities involved in the derivation process and the importance of understanding the underlying notation.
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I am having a mental block at the moment and for some reason I can't seem to derive these two equations:

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From this equation:
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Any assistance would be much appreciated!
 
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What have you tried? Do you understand what ##\tilde{\nu}_0## stands for? Otherwise, it's just ##T(\nu', J'' \pm 1) - T(\nu'', J'')##.
 
I guess what confuses me is the ##\nu', J''## and ##\nu''##. I don't know what they mean. Is it the first and second derivative of the original equation?
 
EphemeralMurex said:
I guess what confuses me is the ##\nu', J''## and ##\nu''##. I don't know what they mean. Is it the first and second derivative of the original equation?
No, they are labels to differentiate the different levels involved in the transition, with the double prime indicating the initial state and the prime the final state:
$$
\nu', J' \leftarrow \nu'', J''
$$
 
Thank you for that explanation! So to begin deriving the equations, would I set initial values for ##v''## and ##J''## equal 0 and ##J'## and ##v'## to 1 for the ##\tilde\nu##(R)? I also don't understand how to eliminate (##\nu## + ##1/2##) from the equation and bring in the (2##\beta## - 3##\alpha##) and (2##\beta## - 4##\alpha##) values
 
Time reversal invariant Hamiltonians must satisfy ##[H,\Theta]=0## where ##\Theta## is time reversal operator. However, in some texts (for example see Many-body Quantum Theory in Condensed Matter Physics an introduction, HENRIK BRUUS and KARSTEN FLENSBERG, Corrected version: 14 January 2016, section 7.1.4) the time reversal invariant condition is introduced as ##H=H^*##. How these two conditions are identical?

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