Schreier's Lemma Proof not clear.

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In summary, the Schreier's Lemma, which is proved in a book on Combinatorics, states that a subgroup $H$ of a group $G$ can be generated by a set $S_H$ consisting of products of coset representatives $k_i$ and group generators $g_j$ with the condition that $\overline{g}=k_i$ if $gH=k_iH$. The proof involves expressing an element $h\in H$ as a product of elements of $S_H$. There is a confusion in understanding the proof, but it can be shown that $u_{j-1}g_{i_j}u_{j}^{-1}\in S_H$ by considering an example
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I am reading a book on Combinatorics in which there is proved the Schreier's Lemma. I don't fully understand the proof.

THEOREM: Let $\{g_1,\ldots,g_m\}$ generate a group $G$. Let $k_1,\ldots,k_s$ be coset representatives of for a subgroup $H$ of $G$ where $k_1=1$. Let \(\overline{g}=k_i\) iff \(gH=k_{i}H\). Then $H$ is generated by the set $$S_H=\{k_ig_j\overline{(k_ig_j)}^{-1}:i=1,\ldots,s;j=1,\ldots,m\}$$

PROOF: All the elements of $S_H$ lie in $H$. Now suppose that $h=g_{i_1}g_{i_2}\ldots g_{i_r}\in H$. For $j=0,\ldots,r,$ let $t_j=g_{i_1}\ldots g_{i_j}$, and let $u_j=\overline{t_j}$. Then, with $u_0=1$, we have $$h=u_0g_{i_1}u_1^{-1}.u_1g_{i_2}u_2^{-1}\ldots u_{r-1}g_{i_r}u_r^{-1},$$
Since $u_0=u_r=1$ and all the other $u_i$ cancel with their inverses. But $u_{j-1}g_{i_j}$ lies in the same coset as $u_j$. Thus $u_{j-1}g_{i_j}u_j^{-1}\in S_H$, and we have expressed $h$ as a product of elements of $S_H$.
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I can't see how it is true that $u_{j-1}g_{i_j}u_j^{-1}\in S_H$. Can somebody please explain this to me?
 
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First of all, it appears that from your proof we should have:

$\overline{g} = k$ if $Hg = Hk$.

The reason I say this, is because if $ab^{-1} \in H$, then we have:

$Ha = Hb$, NOT $aH = bH$.

We can see that $u_{j-1}g_{i_j}(u_j)^{-1} \in S_H$ directly:

clearly, $u_{j-1} = \overline{t_{j-1}}$ is one of the $k$'s, and $g_{i_j}$ is one of the $g$'s, so:

$u_{j-1}g_{i_j}$ is of the form $k_vg_w$ for some appropriate indices $v,w$.

Furthermore, since $t_j = t_{j-1}g_{i_j}$, we have:

$u_{j-1}g_{i_j}(u_j)^{-1} = \overline{t_{j-1}}g_{i_j}(\overline{t_{j-1}g_{i_j}})^{-1} = \overline{t_{j-1}}g_{i_j}(\overline{\overline{t_{j-1}}g_{i_j}})^{-1}$, which is in $S_H$

(since if $\overline{g} = k_r$, then $\overline{\overline{g}g'} = \overline{k_rg'} = \overline{gg'}$, that is:

$H\overline{g}g' = (H\overline{g})g' = (Hk_r)g' = (Hg)g' = Hgg'$).

Perhaps it might be useful to see an application.

Let $G = S_4$ with generating set $\{(1\ 2), (2\ 3), (3\ 4)\}$.

Let H be the subgroup:

$\{e, (1\ 2\ 3\ 4), (1\ 3)(2\ 4), (1\ 4\ 3\ 2), (1\ 3), (2\ 4), (1\ 4)(2\ 3), (1\ 2)(3\ 4)\}$.

$|H| = 8$, so we have 3 (right) cosets:

$H, H(1\ 2\ 3),H(1\ 3\ 2)$. So we may take our traversal set to be $\{e,(1\ 2\ 3), (1\ 3\ 2)\}$.

we now have 9 possible products $k_ig_j$:

(1 2)
(2 3)
(3 4)
(1 2 3)(1 2) = (1 3)
(1 2 3)(2 3) = (1 2)
(1 2 3)(3 4) = (1 2 3 4)
(1 3 2)(1 2) = (2 3)
(1 3 2)(2 3) = (1 3)
(1 3 2)(3 4) = (1 3 4 2) <--note we only get 6 distinct products.

now we find which coset of $H$ these are in (finding $\overline{k_ig_j}$). So:

$\overline{(1\ 2)} = (1\ 2\ 3)$
$\overline{(2\ 3)} = (1\ 3\ 2)$
$\overline{(3\ 4)} = (1\ 2\ 3)$
$\overline{(1\ 3)} = e$
$\overline{(1\ 2\ 3\ 4)} = e$
$\overline{(1\ 3\ 4\ 2)} = (1\ 3\ 2)$

Now we calculate $S_H$:

(1 2)(1 3 2) = (1 3) <--this is in $H$.
(2 3)(1 2 3) = (1 3)
(3 4)(1 3 2) = (1 4 3 2)<--also in $H$.
(1 3)e = (1 3)
(1 2 3 4)e = (1 2 3 4)
(1 3 4 2)(1 2 3) = (2 4),

so we see that $S_H = \{e, (1\ 3), (2\ 4), (1\ 2\ 3\ 4), (1\ 4\ 3\ 2)\}$.

Note this generating set is by no means minimal, in fact:

$H = \langle (1\ 3), (1\ 2\ 3\ 4)\rangle$.

Another example is given here:

Schreier's lemma - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
 
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Deveno said:
First of all, it appears that from your proof we should have:

$\overline{g} = k$ if $Hg = Hk$.

The reason I say this, is because if $ab^{-1} \in H$, then we have:

$Ha = Hb$, NOT $aH = bH$.

We can see that $u_{j-1}g_{i_j}(u_j)^{-1} \in S_H$ directly:

clearly, $u_{j-1} = \overline{t_{j-1}}$ is one of the $k$'s, and $g_{i_j}$ is one of the $g$'s, so:

$u_{j-1}g_{i_j}$ is of the form $k_vg_w$ for some appropriate indices $v,w$.

Furthermore, since $t_j = t_{j-1}g_{i_j}$, we have:

$u_{j-1}g_{i_j}(u_j)^{-1} = \overline{t_{j-1}}g_{i_j}(\overline{t_{j-1}g_{i_j}})^{-1} = \overline{t_{j-1}}g_{i_j}(\overline{\overline{t_{j-1}}g_{i_j}})^{-1}$, which is in $S_H$

(since if $\overline{g} = k_r$, then $\overline{\overline{g}g'} = \overline{k_rg'} = \overline{gg'}$, that is:

$H\overline{g}g' = (H\overline{g})g' = (Hk_r)g' = (Hg)g' = Hgg'$).

Perhaps it might be useful to see an application.

Let $G = S_4$ with generating set $\{(1\ 2), (2\ 3), (3\ 4)\}$.

Let H be the subgroup:

$\{e, (1\ 2\ 3\ 4), (1\ 3)(2\ 4), (1\ 4\ 3\ 2), (1\ 3), (2\ 4), (1\ 4)(2\ 3), (1\ 2)(3\ 4)\}$.

$|H| = 8$, so we have 3 (right) cosets:

$H, H(1\ 2\ 3),H(1\ 3\ 2)$. So we may take our traversal set to be $\{e,(1\ 2\ 3), (1\ 3\ 2)\}$.

we now have 9 possible products $k_ig_j$:

(1 2)
(2 3)
(3 4)
(1 2 3)(1 2) = (1 3)
(1 2 3)(2 3) = (1 2)
(1 2 3)(3 4) = (1 2 3 4)
(1 3 2)(1 2) = (2 3)
(1 3 2)(2 3) = (1 3)
(1 3 2)(3 4) = (1 3 4 2) <--note we only get 6 distinct products.

now we find which coset of $H$ these are in (finding $\overline{k_ig_j}$). So:

$\overline{(1\ 2)} = (1\ 2\ 3)$
$\overline{(2\ 3)} = (1\ 3\ 2)$
$\overline{(3\ 4)} = (1\ 2\ 3)$
$\overline{(1\ 3)} = e$
$\overline{(1\ 2\ 3\ 4)} = e$
$\overline{(1\ 3\ 4\ 2)} = (1\ 3\ 2)$

Now we calculate $S_H$:

(1 2)(1 3 2) = (1 3) <--this is in $H$.
(2 3)(1 2 3) = (1 3)
(3 4)(1 3 2) = (1 4 3 2)<--also in $H$.
(1 3)e = (1 3)
(1 2 3 4)e = (1 2 3 4)
(1 3 4 2)(1 2 3) = (2 4),

so we see that $S_H = \{e, (1\ 3), (2\ 4), (1\ 2\ 3\ 4), (1\ 4\ 3\ 2)\}$.

Note this generating set is by no means minimal, in fact:

$H = \langle (1\ 3), (1\ 2\ 3\ 4)\rangle$.

Another example is given here:

Schreier's lemma - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Thank you Deveno for the kind explanation. It really helps. I was not able to read it before because of my exams. Sorry for the delay in feedback.
 

Related to Schreier's Lemma Proof not clear.

1. What is Schreier's Lemma?

Schreier's Lemma is a fundamental theorem in group theory that states that any subgroup of a finitely generated group is also finitely generated.

2. Why is the proof of Schreier's Lemma not clear?

The proof of Schreier's Lemma can be complex and involve advanced mathematical concepts, making it difficult to understand for those without a strong background in group theory.

3. Can you explain Schreier's Lemma in simpler terms?

Essentially, Schreier's Lemma states that a subgroup of a group can be generated by a finite number of elements, even if the original group is infinite.

4. What is the significance of Schreier's Lemma?

Schreier's Lemma is an important tool in group theory because it allows for the study of infinite groups through finite generators, making it easier to analyze and understand these groups.

5. Are there any real-world applications of Schreier's Lemma?

While Schreier's Lemma is a theoretical concept, it has practical applications in fields such as cryptography, where groups are used to create secure encryption algorithms.

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