Schwarzschild metric as induced metric

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The discussion explores the embedding of Riemannian and pseudoremannian manifolds, specifically questioning whether the Schwarzschild metric can be induced from a submanifold in pseudoeuclidean space. It references Nash's theorem, which states that every Riemannian manifold can be isometrically embedded in Euclidean space, and seeks to determine if this applies to pseudoremannian manifolds as well. Chris Clarke's work indicates that every 4-dimensional spacetime can be embedded in a flat space of up to 90 dimensions, with 6 dimensions specifically needed for the Schwarzschild solution. The conversation suggests that while 90 dimensions are sufficient for all spacetimes, certain solutions may require fewer dimensions. The inquiry concludes by questioning the basis for knowing the dimensional requirements for embedding the Schwarzschild solution.
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According to Nash theorem http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nash_embedding_theorem" every Riemannian manifold can be isometrically embedded
into some Euclidean space. I wonder if it's true also
in case of pseudoremanninan manifolds. In particular is it possible to find
a submanifold in pseudoeuclidean space that, the metric induced on it will be
Schwarzschild metric? How many dimensions we need?
 
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Chris Clarke* showed that every 4-dimensional spacetime can be embedded isometically in higher dimensional flat space, and that 90 dimensions suffices - 87 spacelike and 3 timelike. A particular spacetime may be embeddable in a flat space that has dimension less than 90, but 90 guarantees the result for all possible spacetimes.

* Clarke, C. J. S., "On the global isometric embedding of pseudo-Riemannian
manifolds," Proc. Roy. Soc. A314 (1970) 417-428
 
You need 6 dimensions to embed a Schwarzschild solution. I think that all GR solutions can be (locally) embedded in 10 dimensions.
 
Passionflower said:
You need 6 dimensions to embed a Schwarzschild solution.
How do you know it?
 
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