Should Evo Child Get a Flu Vaccine Despite Online Misinformation?

[ViewsofMars]

Here is some good news that links back to what I presented about WHO. Let's not forget the importance of pharmaceutical and healthcare companies.

GlaxoSmithKline update: Government orders for pandemic (H1N1) 2009 vaccine

Issued: Tuesday 06 October 2009, London, UK

GSK is committed to supporting governments and health authorities around the world respond to the pandemic (H1N1) 2009 influenza strain.

The company today provided an update on orders received for its pandemic (H1N1) adjuvanted vaccine.

On the 4th August, GSK confirmed that it had contracts in place to supply 291 million doses of the vaccine and had a variety of agreements in place with the US Government to supply pandemic products worth $250 million.

Since that date, 22 government orders have been agreed to supply a further 149 million doses of the vaccine. This now brings the total number of doses ordered for GSK’s pandemic vaccines to 440 million. Discussions continue with governments for further supplies.

First supplies of the vaccine will be shipped to governments during the week commencing 5th October. Shipments of the vaccine will be delivered in both the fourth quarter of 2009 and the first half of 2010.

The vaccine deliveries are contingent on a number of factors including government import/export regulations, regulatory approvals, approvals for outsourced packaging and filling as well as testing required by reference laboratories.

GSK will continue to provide regular updates to governments relating to delivery schedules to support them in planning their vaccination programmes.

Further information on GSK’s development of vaccines to protect against pandemic (H1N1) 2009, including explanation of the development process and background information on adjuvants is available on: www.gsk.com/media/pandemic-flu.htm[/URL]

GlaxoSmithKline – one of the world’s leading research-based pharmaceutical and healthcare companies – is committed to improving the quality of human life by enabling people to do more, feel better and live longer. For further information please visit [url]www.gsk.com[/url]
[PLAIN]http://www.gsk.com/media/pressreleases/2009/2009_pressrelease_10104.htm

Another article of interest from REUTERS.

WHO says H1N1 vaccine safe, urges mass take-up
Tue Oct 6, 2009 6:47am EDT

EDTGENEVA (Reuters) - The World Health Organization (WHO) restated its confidence in the H1N1 flu vaccine on Tuesday, calling it the most important tool against the pandemic.

Mild adverse side effects such as muscle cramps or headache are to be expected in some cases, but everyone who has access to the vaccine should be inoculated, it said.

Mass vaccination campaigns against the swine flu virus are underway in China and Australia and will be starting soon in the United States and parts of Europe, WHO spokesman Gregory Hartl said.

"It is important to remember that the vaccines, which have already been approved, have been used for years and years and years in their seasonal vaccine formulation and have been shown to be among the safest vaccines that exist," he told a news briefing.

Hartl, asked whether WHO was concerned by reports that some people were reluctant to be injected with the new vaccine, said:

"Certainly we have seen the reports. Again, we would restate that the most important tool that we have to fight this pandemic is the vaccine."

It was doubly important that health care workers be vaccinated, as it protects them as well as patients, he added.

"We would hope that everyone who has a chance to get vaccinated does get vaccinated," Hartl told Reuters.

The United Nations agency declared in June that the H1N1 virus was causing an influenza pandemic and its collaborating laboratories have provided seed virus to drug makers worldwide to develop vaccines.

GlaxoSmithKline won a further 22 government orders for its H1N1 swine flu vaccine in the last two months, taking the total number of doses ordered to 440 million worth some $3.5 billion. Rivals in flu vaccines include Sanofi-Aventis, Novartis, Baxter, AstraZeneca and CSL.
http://www.reuters.com/article/topNews/idUSL626045720091006

 

[jreelawg]

There is no controversy.
Neither of those substances are controversial in the scientific community.

http://www.fda.gov/BiologicsBloodVaccines/SafetyAvailability/VaccineSafety/UCM096228
http://www.who.int/vaccine_safety/topics/adjuvants/squalene/questions_and_answers/en/index.htmlThere is also a correlation between squalene and not having gulf war syndrome.

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/19379786The article states that
Thus it is a property of the immune system, not the vaccines.
There are no such risks as the conspiracy theorists are portraying them.

There no controversy that the vaccine is bad for you, only controversy over how bad it is.

Also, there is no controversy over thiomersol, I think all scientists agree that mercury is bad for you.

There are two conflicting studies, the one I linked, http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/10640454, from the Department of Microbiology, Tulane Medical School, and the one you linked from the DOD.

controversial |ˌkäntrəˈvər sh əl; -ˈvərsēəl|
adjective
giving rise or likely to give rise to public disagreement : years of wrangling over a controversial bypass.

There are such risks as outlined by the FDA and in the insert that comes with your vaccine.

I posted the list of possible adverse reactions directly from the FDA, and also some of the ingredients which are toxic, but it was all mysteriously deleted. I'll repost the list in a while, as it is pertinent information for anyone considering getting the vaccine.

 

[jreelawg]

"DOSAGE FORMS AND STRENGTHS
Influenza A (H1N1) 2009 Monovalent Vaccine, a sterile suspension for intramuscular
injection, is supplied in two presentations:
• Prefilled single dose syringe, 0.5-mL. Thimerosal, a mercury derivative used during
manufacture, is removed by subsequent purification steps to a trace amount (≤ 1 mcg
mercury per 0.5-mL dose) (3, 11)
• Multidose vial, 5-mL. Contains thimerosal, a mercury derivative (25 mcg mercury
per 0.5-mL dose). Thimerosal is added as preservative. (3,11)"...

"Each dose from the multidose vial or from the prefilled syringe may also contain
residual amounts of egg proteins (≤ 1 mcg ovalbumin), polymyxin (≤ 3.75 mcg),
neomycin (≤ 2.5 mcg), betapropiolactone (not more than 0.5 mcg) and nonylphenol
ethoxylate (not more than 0.015% w/v).
The multidose vial stopper and the syringe stopper/plunger do not contain latex."

There is a complete list of side effects and commonality of them by age group in the link.

http://www.fda.gov/downloads/BiologicsBloodVaccines/Vaccines/ApprovedProducts/UCM182242.pdf

"Adverse events described here are
included because: a) they represent reactions which are known to occur following
immunizations generally or influenza immunizations specifically; b) they are potentially
serious; or c) the frequency of reporting.

• Body as a whole: Local injection site reactions (including pain, pain limiting limb
movement, redness, swelling, warmth, ecchymosis, induration), hot flashes/flushes;
chills; fever; malaise; shivering; fatigue; asthenia; facial edema.
• Immune system disorders: Hypersensitivity reactions (including throat and/or mouth
edema). In rare cases, hypersensitivity reactions have lead to anaphylactic shock and
death.
• Cardiovascular disorders: Vasculitis (in rare cases with transient renal involvement),
syncope shortly after vaccination.
• Digestive disorders: Diarrhea; nausea; vomiting; abdominal pain.
• Blood and lymphatic disorders: Local lymphadenopathy; transient thrombocytopenia.
• Metabolic and nutritional disorders: Loss of appetite.
• Musculoskeletal: Arthralgia; myalgia; myasthenia.
• Nervous system disorders: Headache; dizziness; neuralgia; paraesthesia; confusion;
febrile convulsions; Guillain-Barré Syndrome; myelitis (including encephalomyelitis
and transverse myelitis); neuropathy (including neuritis); paralysis (including Bell’s
Palsy).
• Respiratory disorders: Dyspnea; chest pain; cough; pharyngitis; rhinitis.
• Skin and appendages: Stevens-Johnson syndrome; sweating; pruritus; urticaria; rash
(including non-specific, maculopapular, and vesiculobulbous).6.4 Other Adverse Reactions Associated with Influenza Vaccination
Anaphylaxis has been reported after administration of FLUVIRIN. Although
FLUVIRIN and Influenza A (H1N1) 2009 Monovalent Vaccine contain only a limited
quantity of egg protein, this protein can induce immediate hypersensitivity reactions
among persons who have severe egg allergy. Allergic reactions include hives,
angioedema, allergic asthma, and systemic anaphylaxis [see CONTRAINDICATIONS
(4)].
The 1976 swine influenza vaccine was associated with an increased frequency of
Guillain-Barré syndrome (GBS). Evidence for a causal relation of GBS with subsequent
vaccines prepared from other influenza viruses is unclear. If influenza vaccine does pose
a risk, it is probably slightly more than 1 additional case/1 million persons vaccinated.
Neurological disorders temporally associated with influenza vaccination such as
encephalopathy, optic neuritis/neuropathy, partial facial paralysis, and brachial plexus
neuropathy have been reported.
Microscopic polyangiitis (vasculitis) has been reported temporally associated with
influenza vaccination."

All quotes are from the FDA link provided.

 

[jreelawg]

The seasonal flu vaccine by Novartus, FLUVIRIN®, contains the same amount of mercery per dose as the H1N1 vaccine. Children are advised to get two doses. So at the recommended two doses of each vaccine, the total amount of mercury introduced into the bloodstream will be 100 mcg if both are from the multi dose vials.

http://74.125.155.132/search?q=cach...uvirin&cd=1&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=us&client=safari

 

[jreelawg]

First off, let’s look at who is “WHO[World Heath Organization]” - its people and offices:
Next, let’s understand what is CDS. Best for me to provide you with part of the Mission Statement for the CENTERS FOR DISEASE CONTROL AND PREVENTION:
Third off, where does the FDA come into this picture. The U.S. Food and Drug Administration (FDA) list of Vaccines Licensed for Immunization and Distribution in the US with Supporting Documents. Here’s part of the list of vaccines.
Last but not least, there is VAERS (Vaccine Adverse Event Reporting System):
I personally feel safe and confident knowing that people within WHO, CDS, FDA, and VAERS care about my health and others.

Out of all the articles you posted about who should get the vaccinations, including children over 6 months old, did they say how much mercury was in it, and did they inform you that you can prevent the mercury exposure by getting a single dose injectable instead of the multiple dose vial form?

 

[ViewsofMars]

Out of all the articles you posted about who should get the vaccinations, including children over 6 months old, did they say how much mercury was in it, and did they inform you that you can prevent the mercury exposure by getting a single dose injectable instead of the multiple dose vial form?

jreelawg, I've posted articles since page 1. Perhaps you should read them all. Articles that I have posted are from ALA, WHO, CDS, FDA, and VAERS. Bye the way, I personally have never said who should get vaccinations and nowhere is there evidence of such.

I think you are confusing 'Influenza A (H1N1) 2009 Monovalent Vaccine' with the 'seasonal influenza vaccine' which is what was initally discussed by the original poster Evo and is currently available to the public at large. It appears your recent message to me that you are concerned about *mercury* related to the 'Influenza A (H1N1) 2009 Monovalent Vaccine'. I hope the following article from the FDA might shed further light. (Please note what I've highlighted in red.) And like I said earlier, "I personally feel safe and confident knowing that people within WHO, CDS, FDA, and VAERS care about my health and others."

Influenza A (H1N1) 2009 Monovalent Vaccines Questions and Answers
Provide Protection Against Influenza Disease Caused by Pandemic (H1N1) 2009 Virus

September 15, 2009

What is the U.S. Food and Drug Administration (FDA) announcing?
FDA has approved supplements to existing vaccine licenses to protect against the pandemic (H1N1) 2009 influenza virus. The Influenza A (H1N1) 2009 Monovalent vaccines contains an A/California/7/09-like virus. Information on the Influenza A (H1N1)2009 Monovalent Vaccine approvals. [Go online to link]

Is this vaccine part of the seasonal influenza vaccine that is recommended every year?No, this is a stand-alone monovalent vaccine and is separate from the seasonal influenza vaccine.

Will the seasonal influenza vaccine provide protection against the 2009 H1N1 influenza virus?
No. Although the currently licensed seasonal trivalent influenza vaccines contain an H1N1 subtype, their subtype differs from the 2009 H1N1 influenza virus, which is a new virus strain that has never before circulated among humans. The 2009 H1N1 influenza virus is not the same as previous or current human seasonal influenza viruses and seasonal influenza vaccine does not provide protection against the 2009 H1N1 influenza virus.

Do I still need to get the seasonal influenza vaccine?
Yes, it is still important that those individuals for whom seasonal influenza vaccine is recommended receive it. According to the U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC), between 5 and 20 percent of the U.S. population are infected with seasonal influenza each year. More than 200,000 people are hospitalized from its complications and about 36,000 people die. Vaccination is the best protection against influenza and can prevent many illnesses and deaths. Since influenza viruses change almost every season, there is always a possibility of a less than optimal match between the vaccine and the virus strains that end up causing the most illness. However, even if the vaccine and the circulating strains are not an exact match, the vaccine may reduce the severity of the illness or may help prevent influenza-related complications.

What information did FDA use to support approval of the Influenza A (H1N1) 2009 Monovalent influenza vaccines?
Vaccines used in the United States must be licensed by FDA. FDA approved these vaccines as a strain change to each manufacturer’s FDA-approved seasonal influenza vaccine. Each of the manufacturers will make the Influenza A (H1N1) 2009 Monovalent vaccines using its well-established, licensed egg-based manufacturing process that is used for seasonal influenza vaccine.

There is considerable experience with seasonal influenza vaccine development and production and influenza vaccines produced by this technology have a long and successful track record of safety and effectiveness in the United States. The safety and effectiveness demonstrated for seasonal influenza vaccine also support the licensure of the Influenza A (H1N1) 2009 Monovalent vaccines produced using the same process as for seasonal vaccine.

Clinical studies of the Influenza A (H1N1) 2009 Monovalent vaccines are ongoing. FDA will be assessing information from these studies to determine the optimal dose of the vaccine based on immunogenicity data (the levels of antibodies produced).

The Influenza A (H1N1) 2009 Monovalent vaccines will undergo the same rigorous testing and lot release procedures that are in place for seasonal influenza vaccines.

Does FDA know at this time how many doses individuals should receive?
Currently available data suggest that children 6 months to 9 years of age have little or no evidence of protective antibodies to the pandemic (H1N1) 2009 virus (MMWR 2009; 58(19) 521-524, http://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/preview/mmwrhtml/mm5819a1.htm). Based on these data, children 9 years of age and younger should be administered 2 doses of the monovalent pandemic (H1N1) 2009 virus vaccine. Adults should be administered 1 dose, as should children and adolescents 10 years of age and older, as we expect that they will respond similarly to adults. Clinical studies are underway and will provide additional information about the optimal number of doses.

Will the vaccine be available with and without a preservative?
Yes. As with the seasonal influenza vaccines, the Influenza A (H1N1) 2009 Monovalent vaccines will be available in formulations that contain thimerosal, a mercury-containing preservative, as well as preservative-free formulations.

Is thimerosal safe when used as a preservative in vaccines?
Yes. A high standard of safety is expected by FDA. We are aware of the concerns that some people have regarding thimerosal in vaccines. The vast majority of research conducted in the U.S. and around the world does not support an association between thimerosal in vaccines and autism. Since 2001, no new vaccine licensed by FDA for use in children has contained thimerosal as a preservative, and all vaccines routinely recommended by CDC for children under six years of age have been thimerosal-free, or contain only trace amounts, except for some formulations of influenza vaccine.

Are the Influenza A (H1N1) 2009 Monovalent vaccines safe?
The Influenza A (H1N1) 2009 Monovalent vaccines are manufactured and tested using the same processes used for the seasonal vaccine. Many millions of doses of seasonal vaccine have been distributed every year for many years, and seasonal vaccines have a well-established safety profile. As for seasonal vaccines, safety will also be monitored as part of the vaccination program (see below).

What are the expected side effects of the Influenza A (H1N1) 2009 Monovalent vaccines?
The expected side effects will be similar to those of the seasonal vaccine, potentially including a mild fever, body aches, and fatigue for a few days after the vaccine, and soreness at the injection site. The most common side effects seen with administration of the nasal vaccine include runny nose or nasal congestion in recipients of all ages, fever more than 100 degrees Fahrenheit in children two to six years of age, and sore throat in adults. As with any medical product, serious adverse events may occur.

People who have a severe (life-threatening) allergy to chicken eggs or to any other substance in the vaccine should not be vaccinated.

How will the Influenza A (H1N1) 2009 Monovalent vaccines be monitored for safety?FDA and CDC will closely monitor the safety of the Influenza A (H1N1) 2009 vaccines. FDA is collaborating with CDC, HHS, and other government agencies to enhance the capacity for adverse event safety monitoring during and after the Influenza A (H1N1) 2009 vaccination program. Efforts are underway to establish a robust network to share information in real-time. The network will build on the well established Vaccine Adverse Event Reporting System and Vaccine Safety Datalink by integrating capabilities from the Department of Defense, the Department of Veterans Affairs, the Center for Medicare and Medicaid Services, State, Territorial, Tribal, and local public health and medical, and private sector healthcare entities. FDA is also engaged with international regulatory partners on pharmacovigilance planning efforts.

What makes up the Influenza A (H1N1) 2009 Monovalent vaccines?
The Influenza A (H1N1) 2009 monovalent vaccines are manufactured using the same approved processes used to produce the seasonal influenza vaccines. Ingredients used during the manufacture of influenza vaccines include substances to help prevent bacterial contamination, to inactivate or “kill” the viruses, and stabilizers to prevent the vaccine from changing. Vaccines that are packaged in multi-dose vials use a preservative to prevent contamination.

The Influenza A (H1N1) 2009 Monovalent vaccines are made from a single influenza virus strain that is an A/California/7/09-like virus. For the injectible vaccines, or shots, the virus is inactivated, using the same processes the manufacturers use for seasonal influenza vaccines. The vaccine administered via nasal spray contains a live, attenuated virus.

People who have a severe (life-threatening) allergy to chicken eggs, or to any other substance in the vaccine, should not be vaccinated.

When will the vaccine be available?
Although approved by FDA, initial lots of the vaccines may not be immediately available until the end of September to mid-October, when manufacturers complete production and testing.

What can be done to prevent getting infected with the 2009 H1N1 influenza virus?
Cover your nose and mouth with a tissue when you cough or sneeze. Throw the tissue in the trash after you use it.

Cover your nose and mouth with a tissue when you cough or sneeze. Throw the tissue in the trash after you use it.

If a tissue is not available cough or sneeze into your elbow.
Wash your hands often with soap and water, especially after you cough or sneeze. You should wash your hands as long as it takes to sing “Happy Birthday” twice.
Avoid touching your eyes, nose or mouth. Germs spread this way.
Try to avoid close contact with sick people.
http://www.fda.gov/BiologicsBloodVaccines/Vaccines/QuestionsaboutVaccines/ucm182335.htm

Also, I should mention that your message #38 and the link you proved therein does state:
"5.3 Preventing and Managing Allergic Reactions
Prior to administration of any dose of Influenza A (H1N1) 2009 Monovalent Vaccine, the healthcare provider should review the patient’s prior immunization history for possible adverse events, to determine the existence of any contraindication to immunization with Influenza A (H1N1) 2009 Monovalent Vaccine and to allow an assessment of benefits and risks. Appropriate medical treatment and supervision must be available to manage possible anaphylactic reactions following administration of the vaccine."

 

[jreelawg]

jreelawg, I've posted articles since page 1. Perhaps you should read them all. Articles that I have posted are from ALA, WHO, CDS, FDA, and VAERS. Bye the way, I personally have never said who should get vaccinations and nowhere is there evidence of such.

I think you are confusing 'Influenza A (H1N1) 2009 Monovalent Vaccine' with the 'seasonal influenza vaccine' which is what was initally discussed by the original poster Evo and is currently available to the public at large. It appears your recent message to me that you are concerned about *mercury* related to the 'Influenza A (H1N1) 2009 Monovalent Vaccine'. I hope the following article from the FDA might shed further light. (Please note what I've highlighted in red.) And like I said earlier, "I personally feel safe and confident knowing that people within WHO, CDS, FDA, and VAERS care about my health and others."Also, I should mention that your message #38 and the link you proved therein does state:
"5.3 Preventing and Managing Allergic Reactions
Prior to administration of any dose of Influenza A (H1N1) 2009 Monovalent Vaccine, the healthcare provider should review the patient’s prior immunization history for possible adverse events, to determine the existence of any contraindication to immunization with Influenza A (H1N1) 2009 Monovalent Vaccine and to allow an assessment of benefits and risks. Appropriate medical treatment and supervision must be available to manage possible anaphylactic reactions following administration of the vaccine."

I'm not trying to attack you or anything. I'm just pointing out that there are a lot of potential complications, adverse reactions, and side effects that may occur when you get a flu vaccine.

Obviously you got the impression that there were no such possible risks. You must have had this impressions based on what you read from those articles. Clearly they are not as informative as you lend them credit for being.

The H1N1 vaccine is new, but it is made the same way as the seasonal flu vaccine, so the list of side effects and possible adverse reactions are based on the seasonal flu vaccine.

I'm not saying nobody should get the vaccinations. I'm just trying to inform people so they can make an educated decision.

Also there are four different H1N1 vaccines made by four different companies. Each one has a unique list of ingredients, and a slightly different list of side effects. So if you want, you can go look up "H1N1 vaccine FDA" on google, and you can read the inserts that come with each one, pick the one which seems least hazardous, and get that one.

 

[ViewsofMars]

I'm not trying to attack you or anything. I'm just pointing out that there are a lot of potential complications, adverse reactions, and side effects that may occur when you get a flu vaccine.

Obviously you got the impression that there were no such possible risks. You must have had this impressions based on what you read from those articles. Clearly they are not as informative as you lend them credit for being.

Well, I’m glad to know you don’t wish to attack me. Let's be honest, I’ve caught you in a mistake as I presented in my last posting. I’ve been attempting to correct your misinformation by presenting the correct information which you now appear to term “impressions”, which is incorrect. I do think it would be wise for you to reread all the information presented, especially no’s 4, 7, 10, 20, 28, 30, 35, 36, and 41. Every website (url) that I have presented is from a reputable scientific website. As I've mentioned before in #20 'we should make mention to all viewers how important it is to read *everything* on the websites that we have presented'. This is why I added to in my #41 "your message #38 and the link you proved therein does state:
"5.3 Preventing and Managing Allergic Reactions
Prior to administration of any dose of Influenza A (H1N1) 2009 Monovalent Vaccine, the healthcare provider should review the patient’s prior immunization history for possible adverse events, to determine the existence of any contraindication to immunization with Influenza A (H1N1) 2009 Monovalent Vaccine and to allow an assessment of benefits and risks. Appropriate medical treatment and supervision must be available to manage possible anaphylactic reactions following administration of the vaccine."'

The H1N1 vaccine is new, but it is made the same way as the seasonal flu vaccine, so the list of side effects and possible adverse reactions are based on the seasonal flu vaccine.

There is A(H1N1) 2009 Monovalent vaccines and a Intranasal Vaccine.(http://www.fda.gov/BiologicsBloodVaccines/Vaccines/ApprovedProducts/ucm181950.htm) Please provide me a link to a reputable science website that supports your claim, “The H1N1 vaccine is new, but it is made the same way as the seasonal flu vaccine, so the list of side effects and possible adverse reactions are based on the seasonal flu vaccine.”

I'm not saying nobody should get the vaccinations. I'm just trying to inform people so they can make an educated decision.

I don’t think it wise for you to personally advise people what vaccine they should be given.

Also there are four different H1N1 vaccines made by four different companies. Each one has a unique list of ingredients, and a slightly different list of side effects. So if you want, you can go look up "H1N1 vaccine FDA" on google, and you can read the inserts that come with each one, pick the one which seems least hazardous, and get that one.

No one needs to go to Google for the information because the information is found within the link I provided you within message #35. I would hope people would explore that website. I do understand your concern Jreelawg, but neither you nor I or anyone else online are to advise people which vaccine is the least hazardous for him or her. It is also extremely important for people to remember how important it is to consult with his or her licensed physician.

 

[jreelawg]

Well, I’m glad to know you don’t wish to attack me. Let's be honest, I’ve caught you in a mistake as I presented in my last posting. I’ve been attempting to correct your misinformation by presenting the correct information which you now appear to term “impressions”, which is incorrect. I do think it would be wise for you to reread all the information presented, especially no’s 4, 7, 10, 20, 28, 30, 35, 36, and 41. Every website (url) that I have presented is from a reputable scientific website. As I've mentioned before in #20 'we should make mention to all viewers how important it is to read *everything* on the websites that we have presented'. This is why I added to in my #41 "your message #38 and the link you proved therein does state:
"5.3 Preventing and Managing Allergic Reactions
Prior to administration of any dose of Influenza A (H1N1) 2009 Monovalent Vaccine, the healthcare provider should review the patient’s prior immunization history for possible adverse events, to determine the existence of any contraindication to immunization with Influenza A (H1N1) 2009 Monovalent Vaccine and to allow an assessment of benefits and risks. Appropriate medical treatment and supervision must be available to manage possible anaphylactic reactions following administration of the vaccine."'




There is A(H1N1) 2009 Monovalent vaccines and a Intranasal Vaccine.(http://www.fda.gov/BiologicsBloodVaccines/Vaccines/ApprovedProducts/ucm181950.htm) Please provide me a link to a reputable science website that supports your claim, “The H1N1 vaccine is new, but it is made the same way as the seasonal flu vaccine, so the list of side effects and possible adverse reactions are based on the seasonal flu vaccine.”
I don’t think it wise for you to personally advise people what vaccine they should be given.

No one needs to go to Google for the information because the information is found within the link I provided you within message #35. I would hope people would explore that website. I do understand your concern Jreelawg, but neither you nor I or anyone else online are to advise people which vaccine is the least hazardous for him or her. It is also extremely important for people to remember how important it is to consult with his or her licensed physician.

First of all I posted no misinformation maybe you could clarify what information you think is wrong.

Second, I was just pointing out information that was lacking from that which you posted. I'm not saying those articles are wrong, just that there is more information you should read before getting the vaccine.

If you want to read what's in the vaccine and what the risks are, then you should read it from the insert off the FDA website, or elsewhere.

Are you honestly recommending people don't read this information?

Your opinion on these matters seams dangerous and irresponsible.

 

[ViewsofMars]

Jreelawg, people can read what I have provided and read what you have provided.

jreelawg, I asked you in my last post, "Please provide me a link to a reputable science website that supports your claim, “The H1N1 vaccine is new, but it is made the same way as the seasonal flu vaccine, so the list of side effects and possible adverse reactions are based on the seasonal flu vaccine.”" Where's the link?

Jreelawg, you said, "If you want to read what's in the vaccine and what the risks are, then you should read it from the insert off the FDA website, or elsewhere.
Are you honestly recommending people don't read this information?
Your opinion on these matters seams dangerous and irresponsible."

First off, I have offered no opinions. However, you appear to have given opinions that have no affect on me. People in general need to have a professionally licensed physician explain to them about the medication.

Good-bye.

 

[jreelawg]

Jreelawg, people can read what I have provided and read what you have provided.

jreelawg, I asked you in my last post, "Please provide me a link to a reputable science website that supports your claim, “The H1N1 vaccine is new, but it is made the same way as the seasonal flu vaccine, so the list of side effects and possible adverse reactions are based on the seasonal flu vaccine.”" Where's the link?

Jreelawg, you said, "If you want to read what's in the vaccine and what the risks are, then you should read it from the insert off the FDA website, or elsewhere.
Are you honestly recommending people don't read this information?
Your opinion on these matters seams dangerous and irresponsible."

First off, I have offered no opinions. However, you appear to have given opinions that have no affect on me. People in general need to have a professionally licensed physician explain to them about the medication.

Good-bye.

"6 ADVERSE REACTIONS
Novartis’ Influenza A (H1N1) 2009 Monovalent Vaccine and seasonal trivalent
Influenza Virus Vaccine (FLUVIRIN®) are manufactured by the same process. The data
in this section were obtained from clinical studies and postmarketing experience with
FLUVIRIN."

http://www.fda.gov/downloads/BiologicsBloodVaccines/Vaccines/ApprovedProducts/UCM182242.pdf

Hopefully your doctor will read to you, or make sure you read the insert that comes with your vaccine before you make your decision.

 

[Mattara]

Your opinion on these matters seams dangerous and irresponsible.

Rather it is your opinion of these matters that seem ignorant and dangerous. Please comment our refutation of your mercury and squalene conspiracy theories.

 

[jreelawg]

Rather it is your opinion of these matters that seem ignorant and dangerous. Please comment our refutation of your mercury and squalene conspiracy theories.

I think I already did comment on your refutation. You stated that thiomersol, and mercury are not controversial substances. You stated squalene is not controversial. You said there is no risk of adverse effects affecting your immune system or your brain.

I posted the list of possible adverse reactions from the insert that comes with the vaccine, and it clearly states there is a risk of adverse reactions including things ranging from immune system disorders, to nervous system disorders, and more.

Do you think that the FDA website is a crackpot conspiracy theorist site?

My only suggestion would be that a person considering getting vaccinated does some research so that they know what they are getting. It seams some people find that idea offensive, which I find hard to understand.

If you don't want to know what is in the vaccine, what the side effects and adverse reactions could be, and if you don't want to get information from more than one source than be my guest. Nobody is forcing you to know things you don't want to know.

 

[jreelawg]

There is no controversy.

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Thus it is a property of the immune system, not the vaccines.

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There are no such risks as the conspiracy theorists are portraying them.

If you say so.

That makes no sense. A weakened immune system is the property of the immune system, not the thing that caused it. What is you point here? I don't get it.

There are such risks as the companies who make the vaccinations are required by the FDA to portray.

 

[Monique]

If you say so.

That makes no sense. A weakened immune system is the property of the immune system, not the thing that caused it. What is you point here? I don't get it.

There are such risks as the companies who make the vaccinations are required by the FDA to portray.

Yes, you should read drug-inserts and be aware of the possible side effects Let yourself be informed by a trained professional if in doubt (either a pharmacist or a doctor).

You should not inflate the possible side-effects unless you have some actual numbers on the frequency with which they occur. People with a weakened immune response can have an adverse reaction to certain vaccines, as do people with a immune response to one of the components of the vaccine (such as egg). That does not mean that the vaccine is dangerous to the general population.

You mention that some vaccines contain the preservative Thiomersal, which is an organomercury compound. You then point to a website that shows that mercury is dangerous, but before something can be considered a toxin you first need to consider the dose. Do you have evidence that Thiomersal in the administered dose has adverse health effects?

 

[jreelawg]

Yes, you should read drug-inserts and be aware of the possible side effects Let yourself be informed by a trained professional if in doubt (either a pharmacist or a doctor).

You should not inflate the possible side-effects unless you have some actual numbers on the frequency with which they occur. People with a weakened immune response can have an adverse reaction to certain vaccines, as do people with a immune response to one of the components of the vaccine (such as egg). That does not mean that the vaccine is dangerous to the general population.

You mention that some vaccines contain the preservative Thiomersal, which is an organomercury compound. You then point to a website that shows that mercury is dangerous, but before something can be considered a toxin you first need to consider the dose. Do you have evidence that Thiomersal in the administered dose has adverse health effects?

There is a misunderstanding I think. I am not arguing that people should not get the vaccine, or that the amount of thiomersol is too much of a risk. I mentioned that it is controversial.

If you get 2 doses of seasonal and pandemic influenza vaccines from multidose vials, of the Novartis brand, then you get 100 micrograms of mercury. That's it, do with that information what you will. I am not making recommendations on how much mercury is safe. "DOSAGE FORMS AND STRENGTHS
Influenza A (H1N1) 2009 Monovalent Vaccine, a sterile suspension for intramuscular
injection, is supplied in two presentations:
• Prefilled single dose syringe, 0.5-mL. Thimerosal, a mercury derivative used during
manufacture, is removed by subsequent purification steps to a trace amount (≤ 1 mcg
mercury per 0.5-mL dose) (3, 11)
• Multidose vial, 5-mL. Contains thimerosal, a mercury derivative (25 mcg mercury
per 0.5-mL dose). Thimerosal is added as preservative. (3,11)"...

http://www.fda.gov/downloads/Biologi.../UCM182242.pdf

The quotes on side effects are directly from the insert that come with the vaccine from the FDA website, and more information about frequency can be found in the link I provided.

Also you should be aware that vaccine makers have been granted legal immunity, and are not liable for the vaccines safety.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/31971355/ns/health-swine_flu/

 

[jreelawg]

We can look at the historical data, in which the information about GBS relating to H1N1 vaccine is based.

"There were reports of Guillain-Barré syndrome, a paralyzing neuromuscular disorder, affecting some people who had received swine flu immunizations. This syndrome is a rare side-effect of modern influenza vaccines, with an incidence of about one case per million vaccinations.[30] As a result, Di Justo writes that "the public refused to trust a government-operated health program that killed old people and crippled young people." In total, 48,161,019 Americans, or just over 22% of the population, had been immunized by the time the National Influenza Immunization Program (NIIP) was effectively halted on December 16, 1976.[31] [32]
Overall, there were 1098 cases of Guillain-Barré Syndrome (GBS) recorded nationwide by CDC surveillance, 532 of which were linked to the NIIP vaccination, resulting in death from severe pulmonary complications for 25 people, which, according to Dr. P. Haber, were probably caused by an immunopathological reaction to the 1976 vaccine. Other influenza vaccines have not been linked to GBS, though caution is advised for certain individuals, particularly those with a history of GBS. [33] [34][35] Still, as observed by a participant in the immunization program, the vaccine killed more Americans than the disease did.[36]"http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Swine_influenza#1976_U.S._outbreak

 

[russ_watters]

We can look at the historical data, in which the information about GBS relating to H1N1 vaccine is based.

"There were reports of Guillain-Barré syndrome, a paralyzing neuromuscular disorder, affecting some people who had received swine flu immunizations. This syndrome is a rare side-effect of modern influenza vaccines, with an incidence of about one case per million vaccinations.[30]

Lacking the full article, I'm not convinced from the abstract (linked in the footnote) that the Wiki paraphrase of it is quite right. That incidence rate is so low that they would have an extremely difficult time separating it from the background noise of the normal incidence rate and the abstract does not claim causality, only corellation.

Either way, with an incidence rate that is orders of magnitude lower than the death risk of the flu, that is not a reason not to get a flu vaccine.

 

[jreelawg]

Lacking the full article, I'm not convinced from the abstract (linked in the footnote) that the Wiki paraphrase of it is quite right. That incidence rate is so low that they would have an extremely difficult time separating it from the background noise of the normal incidence rate and the abstract does not claim causality, only corellation.

Either way, with an incidence rate that is orders of magnitude lower than the death risk of the flu, that is not a reason not to get a flu vaccine.

Your right there is a higher death rate, but if you adjust the death rate to account for unreported cases, the actual death rate is fuzzy. Also, you need to adjust the risk by age, and other factors making someone more at risk to flu. And there are other side affects and possible adverse reactions besides GBS.

Also you should factor in the chances of even getting the swine flu. Some estimates I've read are about 1/3. But you can also factor in how many people you come into contact with, where you work, etc. If you are someone who washes their hands and doesn't spend much time around a lot of people, then you chances are less. Then you need to factor in the chances the vaccine will be effective, I think most of them are about 90% effective according to the FDA. And factor in the other possible adverse reactions. And in the end you still have a gray area surrounding the fact that MF59 adjuvents have only been used in vaccines licensed for people 65 years and older up until now, and will now be used on people 6 months old and up on a massive scale for the first time in history.

"Squalene alone is not an adjuvant, but emulsions of squalene with surfactants enhance the immune response when added to antigens. MF59, a proprietary adjuvant containing squalene, is included in a seasonal subunit influenza vaccine licensed by the Italian regulatory authority in 1997 and subsequently by several other countries. The vaccine contains about 10 mg of squalene per dose. Over 22 million doses have been distributed since that time. Reported rates of adverse events and local reactogenicity are not in excess of those that would be expected with other inactivated seasonal flu vaccines, suggesting that squalene in this vaccine poses no significant risk. This vaccine has been administered primarily to individuals aged 65 years and older, for whom the vaccine was licensed."

http://www.who.int/vaccine_safety/topics/adjuvants/squalene/Jun_2006/en/index.html

 

[Monique]

We can look at the historical data, in which the information about GBS relating to H1N1 vaccine is based.

"There were reports of Guillain-Barré syndrome, a paralyzing neuromuscular disorder, affecting some people who had received swine flu immunizations. This syndrome is a rare side-effect of modern influenza vaccines, with an incidence of about one case per million vaccinations.[30] As a result, Di Justo writes that "the public refused to trust a government-operated health program that killed old people and crippled young people." In total, 48,161,019 Americans, or just over 22% of the population, had been immunized by the time the National Influenza Immunization Program (NIIP) was effectively halted on December 16, 1976.[31] [32]
Overall, there were 1098 cases of Guillain-Barré Syndrome (GBS) recorded nationwide by CDC surveillance, 532 of which were linked to the NIIP vaccination, resulting in death from severe pulmonary complications for 25 people, which, according to Dr. P. Haber, were probably caused by an immunopathological reaction to the 1976 vaccine. Other influenza vaccines have not been linked to GBS, though caution is advised for certain individuals, particularly those with a history of GBS. [33] [34][35] Still, as observed by a participant in the immunization program, the vaccine killed more Americans than the disease did.[36]"http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Swine_influenza#1976_U.S._outbreak

If you read the cited article in [30] it says:

A review by an Institute of Medicine committee of neurological adverse events following TIV (trivalent inactivated influenza vaccines) [17] prompted us to focus part of our review on this topic. Some of the neurological events identified in our review have previously been observed. GBS was the most common serious event reported and second only to paresthesia for all reported neurological events. The 1976–1977 swine influenza vaccines were associated with an increased risk of GBS at a rate of one case per 100,000 persons vaccinated [2] and [17]. This finding may continue to contribute to ongoing concerns and stimulated reporting of GBS to VAERS. However, controlled studies of TIV formulations since that time have demonstrated either no or only slightly elevated risk [17], [29], [30], [31], [32] and [33]. A previous review of VAERS data revealed reporting rates of GBS following receipt of TIV have decreased four-fold from 1994 through 2003 [27].

So the data do not support your point.

An association does not mean a causal link, but rules for drug side-effect reporting are very strict. Any association must be reported, even if the incidence is extremely low.

 

[WhoWee]

Prior to administration of any dose of Influenza A (H1N1) 2009 Monovalent Vaccine, the healthcare provider should review the patient’s prior immunization history for possible adverse events, to determine the existence of any contraindication to immunization with Influenza A (H1N1) 2009 Monovalent Vaccine and to allow an assessment of benefits and risks. Appropriate medical treatment and supervision must be available to manage possible anaphylactic reactions following administration of the vaccine."'

There is A(H1N1) 2009 Monovalent vaccines and a Intranasal Vaccine.(http://www.fda.gov/BiologicsBloodVaccines/Vaccines/ApprovedProducts/ucm181950.htm) Please provide me a link to a reputable science website that supports your claim, “The H1N1 vaccine is new, but it is made the same way as the seasonal flu vaccine, so the list of side effects and possible adverse reactions are based on the seasonal flu vaccine.”

"No one needs to go to Google for the information because the information is found within the link I provided you within message #35. I would hope people would explore that website. I do understand your concern Jreelawg, but neither you nor I or anyone else online are to advise people which vaccine is the least hazardous for him or her. It is also extremely important for people to remember how important it is to consult with his or her licensed physician.

Thank you for organizing this information. Like Evo, I too am concerned with misinformation regarding vaccines.

I have 7 people living in my house including 4 kids and a senior citizen with a weakened immune system. We seem to catch every bug that makes it's way into our community.

I've heard several debates on the pros and cons of injectable H1N1 vs the nasal application. However, I wasn't aware there are injectables available for 3 different age groups.

 

[Evo]

Oh no, I am not scheduled to get my flu vacine until the end of the month and a co-worker offered me some almonds, which she was sticking her hand into, then she tells me that she's been diagnosed with the flu! and is going home because she was reported and is too ill to be at work.

Why me?

 

[lisab]

Oh no, I am not scheduled to get my flu vacine until the end of the month and a co-worker offered me some almonds, which she was sticking her hand into, then she tells me that she's been diagnosed with the flu! and is going home because she was reported and is too ill to be at work.

Why me?

Dang, what the hell was she doing at work with the flu? That's so irresponsible!

I've had my seasonal flu shot (even though I don't think I've ever had it in my life).

I'm pretty sure I had H1N1 a couple weeks ago, but I want to get that vaccine too, since I wasn't officially diagnosed with it.

I'm very, very pro-vaccine .

 

[Galteeth]

Is the data from the government independently verified?