Should point at which E field = 0 coincide with V = 0?

In summary, the conversation discusses the relationship between electric potential and electric field strength, and the question of whether a point where the electric field is zero must also have a zero potential. It is clarified that potentials are relative and can be defined at any point, while electric fields have significance at points where they are zero. The conversation also mentions the importance of considering the slope or derivative of a function in understanding its behavior at a certain point.
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David Day
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A problem I solved asks this:

There is a point charge of 3q at the origin and another charge of -2q at x = 5. At what value of x relative to the origin is the electric field equal to zero?

So:

E = E1 + E2
0 = E1 + E2
E1 = -E2
kQ1/x2 = -kQ2/(5-x)2

Solving for x, the point at which these fields cancel out is x ≈ 2.75.

At the start of this problem I had mistakenly solved for the point at which the electric potential equals zero:

V = V1 + V2
0 = V1 + V2
V1 = -V2
kQ1/x = -kQ2/(5-x)

Solving for x yields a clean x = 3.00.

Are my calculations correct, or should these points coincide? At a point in which the total electric field equals zero, shouldn't the total voltage be zero as well?

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hi,
if you look at the relationship between potential and electric field strength (or at the dimensions), you see that E = 0 if ΔV = 0 for a (small) change in position...
 
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One more thing is that V is only established up to a constant. We usually choose that to have V = 0 at infinity, but that is just a convention.
 
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There's two points on the x-axis where the electric field is zero (if not including the "point" at ##x\rightarrow\pm\infty##), and neither of them is between the charges when ##Q_1## and ##Q_2## are of different sign as in this problem.
 
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Ask your self the following question in 1-dimension. If a function of x is zero at a certain value of x, is its slope equal to zero at the same value of x?
 
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Chandra Prayaga said:
Ask your self the following question in 1-dimension. If a function of x is zero at a certain value of x, is its slope equal to zero at the same value of x?
Just to clarify, the OP's question is why isn't V zero where E is zero, so the directly analogous question in 1D is the reverse of the above: why isn't the value of the function zero where its slope is zero?

Further to the above replies, there is nothing special about a point where V is zero. Potentials are always relative. You can define any point to be at V=0; the potential at any other point is relative to that.
In many electrostatics questions it is common to define the potential at infinity to be zero, but it is only a convention.
As against that, E=0 does have significance.
 
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Chandra Prayaga said:
Ask your self the following question in 1-dimension. If a function of x is zero at a certain value of x, is its slope equal to zero at the same value of x?
That really flicked a switch in my head. Thanks for that!
 

Related to Should point at which E field = 0 coincide with V = 0?

1. What is the relationship between the point at which the electric field is zero and the point at which the potential is zero?

The point at which the electric field is zero is known as the equipotential point, where the potential has a constant value. Therefore, the point at which the electric field is zero will always coincide with the point at which the potential is also zero.

2. Why is it important for the point at which the electric field is zero to coincide with the point at which the potential is zero?

This relationship is important because it allows for a consistent and predictable behavior of charged particles in an electric field. The equipotential point ensures that the potential energy of a charged particle is the same regardless of its position, and therefore the particle will not experience any net force.

3. Does the point at which the electric field is zero always coincide with the point at which the potential is zero?

Yes, in a uniform electric field, the equipotential points will always intersect with the points where the electric field is zero. However, in a non-uniform electric field, the equipotential points may not exactly coincide with the points where the electric field is zero.

4. How can we determine the point at which the electric field is zero and the potential is zero?

The point at which the electric field is zero can be determined by finding the point where the electric potential gradient is zero. This can be calculated by taking the derivative of the electric potential function. The point at which the potential is zero can be determined by solving the electric potential function for a value of zero.

5. Is there any significance to the point at which the electric field is zero and the potential is zero in practical applications?

Yes, in practical applications, the equipotential points and the points where the electric field is zero play a crucial role in designing and understanding the behavior of electric circuits, electrostatic devices, and other electromagnetic systems. They also help in determining the path and speed of charged particles in a given electric field.

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