MHB Show Im(gf)=Im(g) When f is Onto (Wondering)

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The discussion centers on proving that Im(gf) = Im(g) when f is onto. The initial argument shows that if x is in Im(g), then it can be expressed as g(f(b)) for some b in B, thus x is also in Im(gf). Conversely, if x is in Im(gf), it can be represented as g(f(z)), and since f is onto, every element in C is covered, confirming x is in Im(g). Participants clarify that the onto property of f is not necessary for the inclusion Im(gf) ⊆ Im(g) to hold true. The conversation concludes with confirmation of the correctness of the reasoning presented.
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Hey! :o

Let $f:B\rightarrow C$ and $g:C\rightarrow D$.
I want to show that Im(gf)=Im(g), when f is onto. I have done the following:

Let $x\in \text{Im}g$.
Then $\exists y\in C$ such that $g(y)=x$.
Since $f$ is onto, we have that $\exists b\in B$ such that $f(b)=y$.
Then $g(f(b))=x\Rightarrow x=(gf)(b)$.
So, $x\in \text{Im}(gf)$.

Let $x\in \text{Im}(gf)$ then $\exists z\in B$ such that $x=(gf)(z)=g(f(z))$.
Since $f$ is onto, we have that $\forall c\in C \ \ \exists b\in B$ such that $f(b)=c$.
We choose $c=f(z)$ and then we have that $x=g(c)\Rightarrow x\in \text{Im}(g)$.

Is my last step correct? I am not really sure.. (Wondering)
 
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Hi mathmari,

There is no need of $f$ to be onto to prove $Im(gf)\subseteq Im(g)$ since, by definition, $f(z)\in C$
 
Fallen Angel said:
There is no need of $f$ to be onto to prove $Im(gf)\subseteq Im(g)$ since, by definition, $f(z)\in C$

Let $x\in \text{Im}(gf)$ then $\exists z\in B$ such that $x=(gf)(z)=g(f(z))$.
We have that $f(z)\in C$, say $c:=f(z)$, then we have that $x=g(c)\Rightarrow x\in \text{Im}(g)$.

Is this correct? Or didn't you mean it so? (Wondering)
 
Yes, that's correct.
 
Thank you very much! (Yes)
 
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