Show that gcd(a,b) is the smallest positive element in the set {ma+nb}

In summary, the conversation discusses the set of natural numbers being an abelian group and the proof that ##\gcd(a,b)## is the smallest positive element in the set ##\{ma+nb|m,n\in\mathbb{Z}\}##. It explains that if ##a## and ##b## are relatively prime, then ##1## is the smallest positive element, and if they are not relatively prime, then ##\gcd(a,b)## is the smallest positive element. The conversation also mentions that the set ##\mathbb{Z}## is closed under multiplication and addition. It provides a hint for finding the correct solution and clarifies that the integers ##m, n## in line (1) are different
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Homework Statement
let ##a,b\in\mathbb{N}##. Show that ##gcd(a,b)## is the smallest positive element in the set ##\{ma+nb|m,n\in\mathbb{Z}\}##.
Relevant Equations
(1) If ##a## and ##b## are relatively prime, then tere are integers ##m## and ##n## such that ##ma+nb=1##

(2) If ##a>b## then ##gcd(a-b,b)=gcd(a,b)##
##m##, ##n##, ##a##, and ##b## are in ##\mathbb{Z}##. The set of natural numbers is an abelian group, so ##\{ma+nb|m,n\in\mathbb{Z}\}## is a subset of ##\mathbb{Z}##.

##a ## and ##b## are either relatively prime or not relatively prime.

If ##a ## and ##b## are relatively prime, then there are integers ##m## and ##n## such that ##ma+nb=1##. ##1## is the smallest positive element in ##\mathbb{Z}##. So, ##1## is the positive smallest positive element in ##\{ma+nb|m,n\in\mathbb{Z}\}##.

If ##a ## and ##b## are not relatively prime, then there is an integer ##c## that commonly divides ##a## and ##b##. So ##a=\tilde{a}c## and ##b=\tilde{b}c##, where ##\tilde{a}## and ##\tilde{b}## are relatively prime integers.
\begin{align}ma+nb=&m\tilde{a}c+n\tilde{b}c\\
=&c(m\tilde{a}+n\tilde{b})\end{align}
##\tilde{a}## and ##\tilde{b}## are relatively prime, so there exist integers ##m## and ##n## such that ##m\tilde{a}+n\tilde{b}=1##, And because they are relatively prime, ##gcd(\tilde{a},\tilde{b})=1##,
\begin{align}=& c\cdot gcd(\tilde{a},\tilde{b})=gcd(a,b)=c\end{align}
##1## is the smallest positive element in ##\{m\tilde{a}+n\tilde{b}|m,n\in\mathbb{Z}\}## so
##c\cdot 1 =gcd(a,b)## is the smallest positive element in ##c\cdot \{m\tilde{a}+n\tilde{b}|m,n\in\mathbb{Z}\}=\{ma+nb|m,n\in\mathbb{Z}\}##.
 
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docnet said:
Homework Statement:: let ##a,b\in\mathbb{N}##. Show that ##gcd(a,b)## is the smallest positive element in the set ##\{ma+nb|m,n\in\mathbb{Z}\}##.
Relevant Equations:: (1) If ##a## and ##b## are relatively prime, then tere are integers ##m## and ##n## such that ##ma+nb=1##

(2) If ##a>b## then ##gcd(a-b,b)=gcd(a,b)##

The set of natural numbers is an abelian group
Under what addition?
docnet said:
If a and b are not relatively prime, then there is an integer c that commonly divides a and b.
Later the proof says ##c = \gcd(a, b)##.

What are ##m, n## in line (1)?
docnet said:
so there exist integers m and n such that ma~+nb~=1,
are these the same ##m, n## as before?Hint: Let ##ma + nb## be an arbitrary positive element in ##\lbrace xa + yb \vert x, y \in \mathbb{Z} \rbrace## and define ##d = \gcd(a, b)##. Then ##d \vert ma + nb##. (why?).
 
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fishturtle1 said:
Under what addition?
Oh no. The correct statement was "The set ##\mathbb{Z}## is closed under multiplication and addition, so the element ##ma+nb## for any ##a,b,n,m\in\mathbb{Z}## is also in ##\mathbb{Z}##.

fishturtle1 said:
Later the proof says ##c = \gcd(a, b)##.
I am confused. Is this not true when ##a## and ##b## are not co-prime?
fishturtle1 said:
are these the same ##m, n## as before?
No. They are different integers than before.
fishturtle1 said:
Hint: Let ##ma + nb## be an arbitrary positive element in ##\lbrace xa + yb \vert x, y \in \mathbb{Z} \rbrace## and define ##d = \gcd(a, b)##. Then ##d \vert ma + nb##. (why?).
Okay, I will try to come up with the correct solution using this hint. Thank you.
 
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