Show that if a < b + ε for every ε>0 then a ≤ b

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In summary, the conversation discusses how to prove that if a is less than b plus any positive number, then a is less than or equal to b. The attempted solutions involve using a proof by contradiction and carefully selecting a value for epsilon to arrive at the desired conclusion.
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Homework Statement


Show that if a < b + ε for every ε>0 then a ≤ b

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I am not sure if this is a right way to do it? I just want to know if it does make sense

The Attempt at a Solution


proof.
a < b + ε → if a is bounded above by b+ε then b is the least upper bound for a.
which means a ≤ b.
ε is the upper bound of a since b≤ε.
 
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No, that doesn't work. Try formulating it as a proof by contradiction.
 
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Dick said:
No, that doesn't work. Try formulating it as a proof by contradiction.

ok! so i tried it this way...

Suppose a > b+ε for every ε>0,then a≤b
let ε= 1/2a-1/2b since a-b>ε→→→a-b >1/2a-1/2b (true)

so a> b+ 1/2a-1/2b
1/2a>1/2b
a>b which contradict from the first agreement ∅
 
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kmikias said:
ok! so i tried it this way...

Suppose a > b+ε for every ε>0,then a≤b

Unfortunately, no. To do a proof by contradiction, you need to assume the hypothesis and the negation of the conclusion.
 
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gb7nash said:
Unfortunately, no. To do a proof by contradiction, you need to assume the hypothesis and the negation of the conclusion.

ok..another try...i won't stop until i get this ...

suppose a>b and let ε = 1/2 (a-b) ...(i think you know where i get that)

so a < b+ε → a< b+(1/2a-1/2b)
then a-1/2 < b-1/2 → 1/2a<1/2b→ a<b CONTRADICTION ∅
 
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I think that's is the answer...what do you think
 
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kmikias said:
ok..another try...i won't stop until i get this ...

suppose a>b and let ε = 1/2 (a-b) ...(i think you know where i get that)

so a < b+ε → a< b+(1/2a-1/2b)
then a-(1/2)a < b-(1/2)b → 1/2a<1/2b→ a<b CONTRADICTION ∅

It looks fine, just fixed a minor typo on your part.
 
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FAQ: Show that if a < b + ε for every ε>0 then a ≤ b

What does the statement "a < b + ε" mean?

The statement "a < b + ε" means that a is less than b plus any positive value of ε. In other words, a is always smaller than b plus a small amount ε that can be chosen arbitrarily small.

What does the symbol "≤" represent in the statement?

The symbol "≤" represents the "less than or equal to" relation, meaning that a is either smaller than b or equal to b.

How does the statement "a < b + ε" prove that a is less than or equal to b?

Since the statement says that a is always smaller than b plus any positive value of ε, it means that a can never be greater than b. This implies that a must be either smaller or equal to b, satisfying the "less than or equal to" relation.

Can the statement be rephrased in simpler terms?

Yes, the statement can be rephrased as "no matter how small ε is chosen, a is always less than or equal to b".

How is this statement useful in mathematical proofs?

This statement is useful in mathematical proofs because it allows us to show that a certain value is always smaller than or equal to another value, without having to consider all possible values of ε. It simplifies the proof and makes it easier to follow.

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