Show that the complement of a non-measurable set is also n.m

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In summary, the conversation discusses the proof that the complement of a non-measurable set is also non-measurable. The proof is based on the basic axioms of measure theory and the definition of a measurable set. The conversation also mentions different definitions of measurable, such as Lebesgue measure and sigma-algebra. It is concluded that the complement of a non-measurable set will have a measure only if the set itself has a measure, which is a contradiction.
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Homework Statement


Show that the complement of a non-measurable set is also non-measurable.

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Let A be a set that is non measurable. Let B be the complement of A.
Let's assume for contradiction that B has a measure. Now from the axioms of measure theory they have countable additive of measure. case 1: A+B has a measure.
If B has a measure and A+B has a measure then A+B-B should have a measure. But A has no measure so this is a contradiction therefore B has no measure.
Case 2: A+B has no measure.
Let's assume B has a measure, If B has a measure then A+B has a measure
But this is a contradiction, therefore B has no measure .
Not sure If on case 2 I can talk about A+B having a measure
 
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It depends on the definition of measurable used. The usual definition is as shown here. Under that definition, all sets in the sigma-algebra ##\Sigma## are measurable and, since a set is in ##\Sigma## iff its complement is, the result follows trivially.

I suspect you are using a different definition of measurable - perhaps a specific measure like Lebesgue measure. There is a list of possible measures here. Do you mean one of them? If so, which one?
 
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When my teacher told us about the complement of a non-measurable set is non-measurable. I wanted to prove this for myself, he talked about it before Lebesgue measure. And before sigma-algebra. We just had the basic axioms of measure theory like countably additive, the measure of a point is zero. the measure of an interval is the difference between the endpoints. Like for example the measure of the irrationals is infinite.
 
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When my teacher told us about the complement of a non-measurable set is non-measurable. I wanted to prove this for myself, he talked about it before Lebesgue measure. And before sigma-algebra. We just had the basic axioms of measure theory like countably additive, the measure of a point is zero. the measure of an interval is the difference between the endpoints. Like for example the measure of the irrationals is infinite.

A measure is a function. What is the domain of the measure defined like?
 
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It can be no more than a countable union of disjoint sets. If the measure exists it will be assigned a non-negative real number. And it is closed under compliment.
If its closed under compliment then the set and its compliment will have a measure. Because the set and its compliment is just one partition of the set. thanks for the responses
 

FAQ: Show that the complement of a non-measurable set is also n.m

What is a non-measurable set?

A non-measurable set is a set of numbers that does not have a defined measure or length. This means that it cannot be accurately assigned a numerical value, unlike measurable sets such as intervals or finite sets.

What is the complement of a set?

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Why is the complement of a non-measurable set also non-measurable?

This is because the complement of a set inherits the properties of the original set. Since a non-measurable set does not have a defined measure, its complement also does not have a defined measure.

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