Show that the group is not simple

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In summary, the proposition states that if $G$ contains a subgroup with index at most $4$, and $G$ has not a prime order, then $G$ is not a simple group.
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Hey! :eek:

I want to show that:

If $G$ contains a subgroup with index at most $4$ and $G$ has not a prime order, then $G$ is not a simple group. In my notes I found the following proposition:

$$H\leq G, \ [G:H]=m \text{ and } |G|\not\mid m! \text{ then } G \text{ is not simple. }$$

We have that $H\leq G$ and $[G:H]=m, \ 1\leq m\leq 4$.

Suppose that $|G|\mid m!$.
  • If $m=1$, then $G=H$, or not? Can that be? (Wondering)
  • If $m=2$, the possible values for $|G|$ are $1$ and $2$. It cannot be that $|G|=2$, since $G$ has not a prime order.
  • If $m=3$, then $|G|\mid 3!=6$, then the possible values for $|G|$ are $1,2,3,6$.
    The cases $2,3$ are rejected, since $G$ has not a prime order.
    Can the order of $G$ be $6$ ? (Wondering)
  • If $m=4$, then $|G|\mid 4!=24$, then the possible values for $|G|$ are $1,2,3,4,6,8,12,24$.
    The cases $2,3$ are rejected, $G$ has not a prime order.
    Are the other cases possible? (Wondering)
Or do we not use this proposition? (Wondering)
 
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The action of $G$ by left-mulitplication on the left coset space of $G/N$ is given by:

$g\cdot xN = (gx)N$.

This gives a homomorphism $\phi: G \to S_{[G:N]}$.

I will do the case $[G:N] = 4$, which should tell you how to proceed for $n = 3$ (we don't typically allow the case $n = 1$, since the trivial group is usually not counted as simple, much like 1 is not considered prime, and if $[G:N] = 2$, then $N \lhd G$).

If we assume (in order to find a contradiction) $G$ is of non-prime order, but simple, then $\text{ker }\phi = \{e_G\}$

(We know that $\text{ker }\phi \neq G$ because if $xN \neq N$, then $x$ sends $N \to xN$, so $x \not\in \text{ker }\phi$).

Therefore, $G$ is isomorphic to a subgroup of $S_4$. So, in order to show a contradiction, we need to show no subgroup of $S_4$ of non-prime order is simple.

The possible subgroups we need to investigate have orders: $4,6,8,12,24$.

There is only one subgroup of order 24, $S_4$ itself, which is not simple since $A_4 \lhd S_4$. So $|G| \neq 24$.

The only subgroup of order 12 of $S_4$ is $A_4$, which is not simple since its Sylow 2-subgroup $V$ is normal.

There are 3 subgroups of $S_4$ of order 8, each is isomorphic to $D_4$, the dihedral group of order 8, and $D_4$ is not simple (the subgroup of an isomorph of $D_4$ in $S_4$ generated by a $4$-cycle, is of index 2, thus normal).

This rules out $|G| = 8,12$.

$S_4$ has no elements of order 6, and so no subgroup isomorphic to $\Bbb Z_6$. It does have subgroups of order 6 isomorphic to $S_3$ (the subgroups which fix a particular letter), but $S_3$ is not simple, since it has a subgroup of index 2.

So $|G| \neq 6$.

That only leaves $|G| = 4$, but any group of order 4 is abelian, and being of non-prime order, any non-trivial subgroup of prime order (in this case of order 2) is normal.

So $G$ cannot be simple, QED.
 
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Deveno said:
The action of $G$ by left-mulitplication on the left coset space of $G/N$ is given by:

$g\cdot xN = (gx)N$.

This gives a homomorphism $\phi: G \to S_{[G:N]}$.

Why do we look at the action of $G$ on the left coset space of $G/N$ ? (Wondering)
 
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To form a group homomorphism from $G \to \text{Sym}(G/N)$, when there are $4$ cosets, then:

$\text{Sym}(G/N) \cong S_4$.
 
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Deveno said:
To form a group homomorphism from $G \to \text{Sym}(G/N)$, when there are $4$ cosets, then:

$\text{Sym}(G/N) \cong S_4$.

So, do we look at the left cosets, because we have an information for $[G:N]=|G/N|$, where $G/N$ is defined as $\{gN\mid g\in G\}$, which is the set of left cosets? (Wondering)
 
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mathmari said:
So, do we look at the left cosets, because we have an information for $[G:N]=|G/N|$, where $G/N$ is defined as $\{gN\mid g\in G\}$, which is the set of left cosets? (Wondering)

Yes, because that gives us a possible left action.

We could look at the right cosets, if we wanted to, but we'd have to use a right action:

$Nx\cdot g = N(xg)$ (the index is the same, either way).
 

FAQ: Show that the group is not simple

What does it mean for a group to be simple?

A simple group is a type of mathematical group that cannot be broken down into smaller, nontrivial groups. Essentially, it has no nontrivial normal subgroups, meaning that it cannot be divided into smaller groups that are also normal.

How can I show that a group is not simple?

To show that a group is not simple, you must demonstrate the existence of at least one nontrivial normal subgroup. This can be done through various methods such as finding a subgroup that is closed under the group operation, or showing that the group has a nontrivial center.

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Determining if a group is simple or not is an important step in understanding its structure and properties. For example, knowing that a group is not simple can provide insight into its subgroups and potential factorization into simpler groups. It can also help in classifying and organizing groups into different categories.

What are some examples of groups that are not simple?

There are many examples of groups that are not simple, including the symmetric group on n letters (Sn) for n ≥ 5, the alternating group on n letters (An) for n ≥ 5, and the dihedral group Dn for n ≥ 3. Other examples include the general linear group GL(n, F) for n ≥ 2 over a field F, and the quaternion group Q8.

Can a group be both simple and abelian?

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