Show that the ratio ##x+y:x-y## is increased by subtracting ##y##

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In summary, the ratio \( \frac{x+y}{x-y} \) increases when \( y \) is subtracted from both the numerator and denominator. This can be shown by rewriting the ratio as \( \frac{(x+y)-y}{(x-y)-y} = \frac{x}{x-2y} \), which indicates that as \( y \) decreases, the overall value of the ratio increases, demonstrating the effect of the subtraction on the ratio's value.
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Homework Statement
Show that the ratio ##x+y:x-y## is increased by subtracting ##y## from each term.
Relevant Equations
##x=ky##
##x+y:x-y=\dfrac{x+y}{x-y} \tag1##

Subtract ##y## from each term:

##x:x-2y=\dfrac{x}{x-2y} \tag2##

Assume ##k=\dfrac{x}{y} \Rightarrow x=ky##

##(1)= \dfrac{ky+y}{ky-y}, (2)= \dfrac{ky}{ky-2y}##

Subtract ##(1)## from ##(2)## since we are told by the problem statement ##(2)## is bigger:

##\dfrac{(ky)(ky-y)-(ky+y)(ky-2y)}{(ky-y)(ky-2y)} \Rightarrow \dfrac{k^2y^2-ky^2-(k^2y^2-2ky^2+ky^2-2y^2)}{k^2y^2-2ky^2-ky^2+2y^2} \Rightarrow \dfrac{2y^2}{k^2y^2-3ky^2+2y^2}##

##\Rightarrow \dfrac{2}{k^2-3k+2} \Rightarrow \dfrac{2}{(k-2)(k-1)}##

For ##1<k<2; \dfrac{2}{(k-2)(k-1)}<0## and ##\dfrac{x+y}{x-y}>\dfrac{x}{x-2y}##

For ##k<1## and ##k>2##; ##\dfrac{x+y}{x-y}<\dfrac{x}{x-2y}##

Question: The key to solving this problem was assuming ##k=\dfrac{x}{y} \Rightarrow x=ky##. I know how to plug and chug (obviously), but my question is why is this valid? How does one know ##x## varies proportionally with ##y##? Because ##x## and ##y## could be anything, there's no guarantee they vary proportionally. What are the mathematical rules and assumptions that make this work? Thanks.
 
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RChristenk said:
Question: The key to solving this problem was assuming ##k=\dfrac{x}{y} \Rightarrow x=ky##. I know how to plug and chug (obviously), but my question is why is this valid? How does one know ##x## varies proportionally with ##y##? Because ##x## and ##y## could be anything, there's no guarantee they vary proportionally.
They don't vary proportionally. The ##k## as defined here is another variable, depending on ##x## and ##y##. Not a constant.

A quicker way is to show that, for any ##x,y## we have$$\frac{x+y}{x-y} \le \frac x {x -2y}$$With equality iff ##y =0##.

PS I'm assuming ##x > 2y \ge 0##.
 
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RChristenk said:
Homework Statement: Show that the ratio ##x+y:x-y## is increased by subtracting ##y## from each term.
Relevant Equations: ##x=ky##

##x+y:x-y=\dfrac{x+y}{x-y} \tag1##
You wrote ##x = ky## as a relevant equation but it doesn't appear in the problem statement. If this is a given condition, it really should appear in the problem statement.

Something like this:
"Given that ##x = ky##, show that ##\frac{x + y}{x - y} < \frac x{x - 2y}##."
 
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The variable ## k ## is involved because the condition, which must be met, can be expressed using one variable, ## k ##, instead of two, ## x ## and ## y ##, and nothing more. The variable ## k ## could be excluded from the condition and in that case the condition ## k \lt 1 ## or ## k \gt 2 ## would be ## x \lt y ## or ## x \gt 2y ## for ## y \gt 0 ## and ## x \lt 2y ## or ## x \gt y ## for ## y \lt 0 ##.

The problem statement is missing nothing. The problem statement implies that the condition must be included into the result. The problem statement is “Show that the ratio ## x + y : x – y ## is increased by subtracting ## y ## from each term.”, not “## \forall x \in R ## and ## \forall y \in R ## show that the ratio ## x + y : x – y ## is increased by subtracting ## y ## from each term”. In other words values for variables ## x ## and ## y ## are not defined in the problem statement, they must be defined and that is a solution to this problem.
 
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Gavran said:
The variable ## k ## is involved because the condition, which must be met, can be expressed using one variable, ## k ##, instead of two, ## x ## and ## y ##, and nothing more.
Since you are not the OP here, this all seems like speculation.
Gavran said:
The problem statement is missing nothing. The problem statement implies that the condition must be included into the result.
Again, speculation. The OP did not include the equation x = ky in the problem statement. We should not have to infer what the problem statement includes or doesn't include.
 

FAQ: Show that the ratio ##x+y:x-y## is increased by subtracting ##y##

What does the ratio ##x+y:x-y## represent?

The ratio ##x+y:x-y## represents the relationship between the sum and the difference of two variables, ##x## and ##y##. It is a way to compare how much larger or smaller the sum is relative to the difference.

How do you show that the ratio ##x+y:x-y## is increased by subtracting ##y##?

To show that the ratio is increased by subtracting ##y##, you can compare the original ratio ##\frac{x+y}{x-y}## with the new ratio after subtracting ##y## from both ##x## and ##y##. The new ratio becomes ##\frac{(x-y)+(y-y)}{(x-y)-(y-y)} = \frac{x-y}{x-2y}##. By simplifying and comparing these ratios, it can be shown that the new ratio is larger.

Is the ratio ##x+y:x-y## always increased by subtracting ##y##?

No, the ratio ##x+y:x-y## is not always increased by subtracting ##y##. The increase depends on the specific values of ##x## and ##y##. Certain conditions on ##x## and ##y## need to be met for the ratio to increase.

Can you provide an example where the ratio ##x+y:x-y## is increased by subtracting ##y##?

Sure, let's take ##x = 5## and ##y = 1##. The original ratio is ##\frac{5+1}{5-1} = \frac{6}{4} = 1.5##. After subtracting ##y##, the new values are ##x' = 5 - 1 = 4## and ##y' = 1 - 1 = 0##. The new ratio is ##\frac{4+0}{4-0} = \frac{4}{4} = 1##. In this case, the ratio is actually decreased, illustrating the importance of specific values. For an increase, consider ##x = 4## and ##y = 1##, where the original ratio ##\frac{4+1}{4-1} = \frac{5}{3} \approx 1.67## and the new ratio ##\frac{3+0}{3-1} = \frac{3}{2} = 1.5##. Here, the ratio is decreased, highlighting the complexity of the problem.

What mathematical concepts are involved in proving the ratio change?

The mathematical concepts involved include algebraic manipulation, ratios, and inequalities. Understanding how to manipulate expressions and compare ratios is crucial in proving whether the ratio ##x

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