Showing Closed Sets are Not Necessarily Open in Metric Spaces

In summary, the sets Gn defined with inf and sup are equivalent, but Gn defined with inf is better since it includes points that are close to both 0 and 1.Gn is the set of all those points x in X such that inf { d(x,y) : y in F } < 1/n.
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"Let (X,d) be a metrix space, and let F[tex]\subset[/tex]X be closed. Define G_n to be the set of all those points x in X such that

inf { d(x,y) : y in F } < 1/n

Use these sets G_n to show that a countable intersection of open sets need not be open."

I think the question meant sup { d(x,y) : y in F } < 1/n }, not inf.

Actually I don't think sup or inf should be there at all. If the question meant sup, then Gn are not necessarily open.
 
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No, they definitely meant inf. We have:

[tex]G_n = \{x \in X\, :\, \inf \{d(x,y)\, :\, y \in F\} < 1/n\}[/tex]

A better way to look at Gn is this:

[tex]G_n = \bigcup _{y \in F} B(y,\, 1/n)[/tex]

where B(y,1/n) is the open ball about y with radius 1/n. Prove that this really is an equivalent way to look at Gn. Prove (very very easily) that each Gn is open. Figure out what Gn is in terms of F.
 
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Wouldn't it say the exact same thing if inf were replaced by sup?
 
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No, not even close. Why would you think you could interchange inf and sup without it making a difference? If F is a closed ball of radius 2, then for all natural n, Gn defined with an "inf" is an open ball of radius 2 + 1/n. On the other hand, Gn defined with a "sup" would be empty for all n. Basically, the "inf" definition says that Gn is the set of points y such that there is SOME x in F such that y is close to x. A "sup" definition would say that Gn is the set of points Y such that y is close to EVERY x in F.
 
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Most certainly not. Think about the usual metric in R, with F=[0,1]. Then G_n = (-1/n, 1+1/n), when we use inf. Suppose we were to use sup, we would get G_n is empty (for sufficiently large n), since the sup requirement would mean a point would have to be within 1/n of both 0 and 1.
 
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Nevermind, I thought in terms of boundary points. That is, the set of points in F and those that are less than 1/n away from F. Simple mix up.
 

FAQ: Showing Closed Sets are Not Necessarily Open in Metric Spaces

What is the definition of a closed set in a metric space?

In a metric space, a set is considered closed if it contains all of its limit points. This means that for every convergent sequence in the set, the limit must also be in the set.

Can a set be both open and closed in a metric space?

Yes, in some cases a set can be both open and closed in a metric space. For example, in a discrete metric space, every set is both open and closed since the distance between any two distinct points is always greater than 1.

How can you show that a closed set is not necessarily open in a metric space?

One way to show that a closed set is not necessarily open in a metric space is to find a counterexample. This means finding a set that is closed, but not open, in the given metric space.

What is an example of a closed set that is not open in a metric space?

An example of a closed set that is not open in a metric space is the set {0} in the real numbers with the standard metric. This set is closed since it contains its limit point (0), but it is not open since there is no open interval around 0 that is completely contained in the set.

What implications does the fact that closed sets are not necessarily open have in topology?

This fact has important implications in topology, as it means that the concepts of open and closed sets are not always equivalent. This leads to the study of different types of topologies, such as the coarser lower limit topology, in which closed sets are not necessarily open. It also highlights the importance of considering both open and closed sets in topological proofs and constructions.

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