Showing that an element is not in a field extension

In summary: In the same way you can reduce all powers of ##a_i## for ##i>1##. So you get an equation of ##r_i## with coefficients in ##\mathbb{Q}## and powers of ##r##, all greater than ##1##. Since ##r_0## and ##r_1## must be rational, this is impossible. Also, one last thing. Why must ##[\mathbb{Q}(2^{1/3}) : \mathbb{Q}]## divide ##[\mathbb{Q}(a_1, \dots ,a_n) : \mathbb{Q}]## in order for ##2^{1/3} \in \mathbb{Q}(a
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Homework Statement


Let ##K = \mathbb{Q} (1, a_1, a_2, \dots, a_n)##, which is the smallest field containing ##\mathbb{Q}## and ##a_1, a_2, \dots, a_n##, where each ##a_i## is the square root of a rational
number. Show that the cube root of 2 is not an element of K.

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I need some pointers. I am thinking about making an argument with degrees. That is, looking at the degree of ##K## over ##\mathbb{Q}## and seeing how that relates to the degree of ##\mathbb{Q}(2^{1/3})## over ##\mathbb{Q}##, such as whether the latter is a divisor of the former.
 
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Mr Davis 97 said:

Homework Statement


Let ##K = \mathbb{Q} (1, a_1, a_2, \dots, a_n)##, which is the smallest field containing ##\mathbb{Q}## and ##a_1, a_2, \dots, a_n##, where each ##a_i## is the square root of a rational
number. Show that the cube root of 2 is not an element of K.

Homework Equations

The Attempt at a Solution


I need some pointers. I am thinking about making an argument with degrees. That is, looking at the degree of ##K## over ##\mathbb{Q}## and seeing how that relates to the degree of ##\mathbb{Q}(2^{1/3})## over ##\mathbb{Q}##, such as whether the latter is a divisor of the former.
Sounds good. Alternatively, by foot so to say, you could prove it by contradiction. Assume ##\sqrt[3]{2} \in \mathbb{Q}(a_1, \ldots ,a_n)##. This means, there is a polynomial ##f(x_1,\ldots , x_n) \in \mathbb{Q}[x_1,\ldots , x_n]## with ##f(a_1,\ldots , a_n)^3=2##. Now use the fact, that all powers of the ##a_i## are either ##0## or ##1##, even in ##f^3##, and deduce the contradiction.
 
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Sounds good. Alternatively, by foot so to say, you could prove it by contradiction. Assume ##\sqrt[3]{2} \in \mathbb{Q}(a_1, \ldots ,a_n)##. This means, there is a polynomial ##f(x_1,\ldots , x_n) \in \mathbb{Q}[x_1,\ldots , x_n]## with ##f(a_1,\ldots , a_n)^3=2##. Now use the fact, that all powers of the ##a_i## are either ##0## or ##1##, even in ##f^3##, and deduce the contradiction.
So just to be clear, is it correct to say that ##[\mathbb{Q}(a_1, \dots ,a_n) : \mathbb{Q}] = [\mathbb{Q}(a_1, \dots ,a_n) : \mathbb{Q}(a_1, \dots ,a_{n-1})] \cdots [\mathbb{Q}(a_1) : \mathbb{Q}] = 2^n##, while ##[\mathbb{Q}(2^{1/3}) : \mathbb{Q}] = 3##, and since the latter does not divide the former, ##2^{1/3} \not\in \mathbb{Q}(a_1, \dots ,a_n)##?

Note that ##[\mathbb{Q}(a_1, \dots ,a_n) : \mathbb{Q}]## denotes the degree of ##\mathbb{Q}(a_1, \dots ,a_n)## over ## \mathbb{Q}##
 
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So just to be clear, is it correct to say that ##[\mathbb{Q}(a_1, \dots ,a_n) : \mathbb{Q}] = [\mathbb{Q}(a_1, \dots ,a_n) : \mathbb{Q}(a_1, \dots ,a_{n-1})] \cdots [\mathbb{Q}(a_1) : \mathbb{Q}] = 2^n##, while ##[\mathbb{Q}(2^{1/3}) : \mathbb{Q}] = 3##, and since the latter does not divide the former, ##2^{1/3} \not\in \mathbb{Q}(a_1, \dots ,a_n)##?

Note that ##[\mathbb{Q}(a_1, \dots ,a_n) : \mathbb{Q}]## denotes the degree of ##\mathbb{Q}(a_1, \dots ,a_n)## over ## \mathbb{Q}##
Yes. Only a minor thought: If some ##\sqrt{a_i}## happen to be a rational itself or already contained in other ##\mathbb{Q}(a_i)##, which you haven't excluded, then the degree is only ##2^m < 2^n##. It doesn't change the argument, but it is a possibility.

Btw.: This is basically the reason, why one cannot construct the third of an angle only by compass and ruler.
 
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fresh_42 said:
Yes. Only a minor thought: If some ##\sqrt{a_i}## happen to be a rational itself or already contained in other ##\mathbb{Q}(a_i)##, which you haven't excluded, then the degree is only ##2^m < 2^n##. It doesn't change the argument, but it is a possibility.

Btw.: This is basically the reason, why one cannot construct the third of an angle only by compass and ruler.
Also, one last thing. Why must ##[\mathbb{Q}(2^{1/3}) : \mathbb{Q}]## divide ##[\mathbb{Q}(a_1, \dots ,a_n) : \mathbb{Q}]## in order for ##2^{1/3} \in \mathbb{Q}(a_1, \dots ,a_n)##? I want to make sure I have my reasons right
 
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For a tower of algebraic extensions ##\mathbb{Q} \subseteq \mathbb{Q}(\sqrt[3]{2}) \subseteq \mathbb{Q}(a_1,\ldots ,a_n)## we have
$$
2^m = [\,\mathbb{Q}(a_1,\ldots ,a_n)\, : \, \mathbb{Q}\,] = [\,\mathbb{Q}(a_1,\ldots ,a_n)\, : \,\mathbb{Q}(\sqrt[3]{2})\,]\,\cdot \,[\,\mathbb{Q}(\sqrt[3]{2})\, : \,\mathbb{Q}\,]\\
= [\,\mathbb{Q}(a_1,\ldots ,a_n)\, : \,\mathbb{Q}(\sqrt[3]{2})\,]\,\cdot \,3
$$
(https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Degree_of_a_field_extension#The_multiplicativity_formula_for_degrees)
which is impossible. If you may not or don't want to use this, then you'll have to do the work (I think):

An induction should work and is somehow clearer to work with, than to deal with all ##a_i## in one step.
Just write ##\sqrt[3]{2} = r_0 + r_1a_1## and show that this is impossible. All powers of ##a_1## greater than ##1## can be reduced, because ##a_1^2=r\in \mathbb{Q}##.
 
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FAQ: Showing that an element is not in a field extension

How can you prove that an element is not in a field extension?

To show that an element is not in a field extension, you can use the contrapositive of the definition of a field extension. This means that if the element is not in the extension, then it is not a field. You can also use the fact that if an element does not have an inverse in the extension, then it is not in the extension.

What is the definition of a field extension?

A field extension is a field that contains a smaller field. In other words, it is a field that has been extended by the addition of new elements.

Can an element be in a field extension if it is not in the original field?

Yes, an element can be in a field extension even if it is not in the original field. This is because a field extension is created by adding new elements to the original field.

What is the contrapositive of the definition of a field extension?

The contrapositive of the definition of a field extension is that if an element is not in the extension, then it is not a field.

How can you use the fact that an element does not have an inverse to show that it is not in a field extension?

If an element does not have an inverse in the extension, then it is not in the extension. This is because a field must have an inverse for every non-zero element, so the absence of an inverse for a particular element means that it cannot be in a field extension.

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