Showing the Other Root of $4x^2+2x-1= 0$ Given $\alpha$

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In summary, the conversation discusses finding the other root of a quadratic equation when one root is given. It is shown that the other root is equal to $4\alpha^3-3\alpha$, where $\alpha$ is the given root. Three individuals, markfl, anemone, and greg, provide their solutions to this problem.
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If one root of $4x^2+2x-1= 0 $ be $\alpha$ then show that other root is $4\alpha^3-3\alpha$
 
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kaliprasad said:
If one root of $4x^2+2x-1= 0 $ be $\alpha$ then show that other root is $4\alpha^3-3\alpha$
my solution:
for $\alpha $ is a root ,we must have $4\alpha^2+2\alpha -1=0----(1)$
let $\alpha +4\alpha^3-3\alpha=x----(2)$
and $\alpha \times (4\alpha^3-3\alpha)=4\alpha^4-3\alpha^2=y----(3)$
$(2)\times \alpha \rightarrow 4\alpha^4-2\alpha^2=x\alpha----(4)$
$(4)-(3):\alpha^2=x\alpha -y \rightarrow 4\alpha^2-4x\alpha+4y=0----(5)$
compare$(1)\,\, and\,\, (5)$,we have $x=\dfrac{-1}{2},y=\dfrac {-1}{4}$
and the proof is finished
 
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Albert said:
my solution:
for $\alpha $ is a root ,we must have $4\alpha^2+2\alpha -1=0----(1)$
let $\alpha +4\alpha^3-3\alpha=x----(2)$
and $\alpha \times (4\alpha^3-3\alpha)=4\alpha^4-3\alpha^2=y----(3)$
$(2)\times \alpha \rightarrow 4\alpha^4-2\alpha^2=x\alpha----(4)$
$(4)-(3):\alpha^2=x\alpha -y \rightarrow 4\alpha^2-4x\alpha+4y=0----(5)$
compare$(1)\,\, and\,\, (5)$,we have $x=\dfrac{-1}{2},y=\dfrac {-1}{4}$
and the proof is finished

this is not proof as you are asuming the result and based on it you prove it you have assumed that (1) is the only equation satisfied by $\alpha$
 
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kaliprasad said:
this is not proof as you are asuming the result and based on it you prove it you have assumed that (1) is the only equation satisfied by $\alpha$
I prove $\alpha \,\, and \,\,4\alpha^3-3\alpha$ satisfy Vieta's formulas
if $\alpha $ is a root ,and $4\alpha^3-3\alpha$ is another root ,then their sum and product must satisfy Vieta's formulas
and more $4x^2+2x-1=0 $ has exactly only two roots
 
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My solution:

Let:

\(\displaystyle \alpha=\frac{-1\pm\sqrt{5}}{4}\)

Then:

\(\displaystyle 4\alpha^3-3\alpha=4\left(\frac{-1\pm\sqrt{5}}{4}\right)^3-3\left(\frac{-1\pm\sqrt{5}}{4}\right)=\frac{-16\pm8\sqrt{5}+12\mp12\sqrt{5}}{16}=\frac{-1\mp\sqrt{5}}{4}\)

Thus, when $\alpha$ is one root, $4\alpha^3-3\alpha$ is the other.
 
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MarkFL said:
My solution:

Let:

\(\displaystyle \alpha=\frac{-1\pm\sqrt{5}}{4}\)

Then:

\(\displaystyle 4\alpha^3-3\alpha=4\left(\frac{-1\pm\sqrt{5}}{4}\right)^3-3\left(\frac{-1\pm\sqrt{5}}{4}\right)=\frac{-16\pm8\sqrt{5}+12\mp12\sqrt{5}}{16}=\frac{-1\mp\sqrt{5}}{5}--(*)\)

Thus, when $\alpha$ is one root, $4\alpha^3-3\alpha$ is the other.

a typo :
(*)should be: $4\alpha^3-3\alpha
=\dfrac{-1\mp\sqrt{5}}{4}$
 
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Albert said:
a typo :
(*)should be: $4\alpha^3-3\alpha
=\dfrac{-1\mp\sqrt{5}}{4}$

Fixed...and I hid the information in your post regarding a solution using the spoiler tags as a courtesy to the community. :)
 
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kaliprasad said:
If one root of $4x^2+2x-1= 0 $ be $\alpha$ then show that other root is $4\alpha^3-3\alpha$

My solution:

\(\displaystyle x=\frac{-1+\sqrt{5}}{4}\) is a solution for $4x^2+2x-1= 0$ and it's also known to be $\cos 72^\circ$(sum 36+36). The other solution for $4x^2+2x-1= 0$ is \(\displaystyle x=-\left(\frac{1+\sqrt{5}}{4}\right)\) and it's known to be $-\cos 36^\circ=\cos (180^\circ+36^\circ)=\cos 3(72^\circ)$.

We therefore can conclude that if one of the roots for $4x^2+2x-1= 0$ is $\alpha$, which is $\cos 72^\circ$, the other root, $\cos 3(72^\circ)$ will be $4\alpha^3-3\alpha$, which abides by the triple angle formula for cosine function: $\cos 3\alpha=4\cos^3 \alpha -3\cos\alpha$
 
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kaliprasad said:
If one root of $4x^2+2x-1= 0 $ be $\alpha$ then show that other root is $4\alpha^3-3\alpha$

I know that $\cos(36^\circ)=\dfrac{\sqrt5+1}{4}$. By the quadratic relation, the two roots of the given quadratic are

$$\dfrac{\sqrt5-1}{4}$$ and $$-\dfrac{\sqrt5+1}{4}$$

so we have

$$\cos(36^\circ)-\dfrac{\sqrt5+1}{2}=-\dfrac{\sqrt5+1}{4}$$

$$\cos(36^\circ)-2\cos(36^\circ)=-\dfrac{\sqrt5+1}{4}$$

$$-\cos(36^\circ)=\cos(216^\circ)=-\dfrac{\sqrt5+1}{4}$$

thus the other root is $\cos(216^\circ)$.

Now,

$$4\cos^3(x)-3\cos(x)=\cos(3x)$$

so, if $\cos(72)=\dfrac{\sqrt5-1}{4}$, we are done.

$$\cos(72^\circ)=2\cos^2(36^\circ)-1=2\left(\dfrac{\sqrt5+1}{4}\right)^2-1=\dfrac{\sqrt5-1}{4}$$

as required.

Thanks to anemone for inspiration.
 
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three good answers markfl, anemone and greg and here is my answer.

We have $4\alpha^2+2\alpha-1= 0\cdots(1) $
We need to prove
$4(4\alpha^3-3\alpha)^2+2(4\alpha^3-3\alpha)-1= 0 $
we have $4\alpha^2+2\alpha-1= 0$
Hence $4\alpha^3+2\alpha^2-\alpha= 0$
$4\alpha^3 = -2\alpha^2 + \alpha$
or $4\alpha^3 -3\alpha = - 2\alpha^2 - 2 \alpha= - \frac{1}{2}( 4\alpha^2 + 4\alpha)$
$= - \frac{1}{2}( 1 - 2\alpha + 4\alpha)= - \frac{1}{2}( 1 + 2\alpha) \dots(2)$
Hence $4(4\alpha^3-3\alpha)^2+2(4\alpha^3-3\alpha)-1= 0 $
= $4(\frac{1}{2}( 1 + 2\alpha))^2- 2 (\frac{1}{2}( 1 + 2\alpha)-1$ using (2)
= $( 1 + 2\alpha))^2- ( 1 + 2\alpha)-1$
= $1 + 4 \alpha + 4\alpha ^2 - 1 -2 \alpha -1$
= $4\alpha ^2 + 2 \alpha -1= 0$ from (1)
 

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The other root of $4x^2+2x-1=0$ given $\alpha$ can be found by using the quadratic formula. The formula is $x=\frac{-b\pm\sqrt{b^2-4ac}}{2a}$, where $a=4$, $b=2$, and $c=-1$. Plugging in the values, we get $x=\frac{-2\pm\sqrt{2^2-4(4)(-1)}}{2(4)}$, which simplifies to $x=\frac{-2\pm\sqrt{24}}{8}$. Therefore, the other root is $\frac{-2+\sqrt{24}}{8}$ or $\frac{-2-\sqrt{24}}{8}$.

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