Similarities and differences Black Holes and Big Bang

In summary, Black Holes and the Big Bang are theories that explain the behavior of the universe and have a significant impact on its development. They differ in their formation, with Black Holes being formed from collapsed stars and the Big Bang believed to have occurred in a single moment. However, they are related in that they are both governed by the same fundamental laws of physics, and Black Holes may have played a role in the formation of the universe during the Big Bang. Both Black Holes and the Big Bang affect surrounding space and time, with Black Holes warping and slowing down time, and the Big Bang expanding and stretching space and time. While Black Holes cannot be directly observed, their presence can be detected through their effects.
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I know that likening Black Holes to the Big Bang is common among laymen and that scientifically educated people quickly reply that they are completely different things. But I would like to understand better in which aspects are they similar and in which they are different.

If we run the universe backwards, we get to a point beyond the CMB where matter ceases to exist as such, it all gets so hot that even the quark-gluon plasma and the radiation fuses into some sort of "primeval energy" where particles are not yet formed, and the different forces get unified, possibly also gravity just a tiny instant after the BB. Let's forget the singularity itself, but at that tiny instant after the BB, all forces are possibly unified, spacetime is tiny, and all the energy is confined in that spacetime volume with an inconceivably high density.

In a Black Hole, the matter-radiation falling into it also gets increasingly condensed into an ever smaller volume. Again, let's forget about the singularity itself, let's just go a point very close to reaching the singularity status.
The energy density gets also incredibly huge. But, do other analogies hold?

The confinement of all the mass-energy in such as small volume, does it mean that the center of the black hole must be a very hot place? May the matter-energy become a "quark-gluon plasma plus radiation" near the center, and just "primeval energy" even closer to the very center?

Can we assume that the different forces also get unified as we get closer to the center of the black hole?

We surely feel the gravity of the black hole. Perhaps that would mean that gravity does not actually unify with the other forces even at near-singularity conditions?

Could we say that "time runs backwards" beyond the event horizon and towards the hypothetical singularity?In summary, here I have proposed some questions, but in general I'm interested in getting to know better in which respects are Black Holes and Big Bangs similar or different, seen as possibly reverse manifestations of a same concept, i.e. energy emerging from (hypothetically) infinite density into a growing spacetime as time moves forward, vs energy compressing into (hypothetically) infinite density into a shrinking spacetime as time moves (in principle) forward.
 
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Gerinski said:
I would like to understand better in which aspects are they similar and in which they are different.

The short answer: they are simliar in that both spacetimes have a curvature singularity which is spacelike ("curvature singularity" means that spacetime curvature increases without bound as the singularity is approached). They are different in all other respects.

Gerinski said:
The confinement of all the mass-energy in such as small volume, does it mean that the center of the black hole must be a very hot place?

Not after it's formed. In the process of forming a black hole, the collapsing matter behaves (at least in the simplest model) like a time reverse of the Big Bang--it increases in density and temperature as it collapses, so yes, it would switch states from ordinary matter to plasma to quark-gluon plasma to whatever comes before that. But once the hole is formed and the singularity appears (again, in the simplest model), all that matter has vanished and the interior of the hole is vacuum.

Matter can still fall into the hole, but it will get torn apart by tidal gravity as it approaches the singularity; in other words, matter that falls into an already formed hole undergoes a different process than the matter that formed it. So the interior of an already formed black hole is not a hot, dense place like the early universe.

Gerinski said:
Can we assume that the different forces also get unified as we get closer to the center of the black hole?

No, because unification of the forces requires a hot, dense place like the early universe, and the interior of an already formed hole isn't such a place. See above.

Gerinski said:
We surely feel the gravity of the black hole. Perhaps that would mean that gravity does not actually unify with the other forces even at near-singularity conditions?

It doesn't say anything either way. The gravity you feel does not come from inside the hole; it comes from the collapsing matter that originally formed the hole. See here:

http://math.ucr.edu/home/baez/physics/Relativity/BlackHoles/black_gravity.html

Gerinski said:
Could we say that "time runs backwards" beyond the event horizon and towards the hypothetical singularity?

No.

Note: All of the above is according to the classical model of black holes, in which there is a genuine curvature singularity inside the hole. Quantum effects might change that (in fact, the majority opinion among physicists seems to be that they will). But we don't have a theory of quantum gravity, so we can't really say what a "correct" quantum model of a black hole's interior looks like. However, the same caveat applies to the early universe: the model in which there is a singularity at the beginning is the classical model, and quantum effects might change that, but we don't know exactly how. So in the above I have stuck to the classical model in both cases (black hole and early universe), since that's what you appeared to be basing your question on.
 

FAQ: Similarities and differences Black Holes and Big Bang

What is the main similarity between Black Holes and the Big Bang?

Both Black Holes and the Big Bang are theories that explain the behavior of the universe. They both involve immense amounts of mass and energy, and have a significant impact on the development and evolution of the universe.

How do Black Holes and the Big Bang differ in terms of their formation?

Black Holes are formed when a star collapses in on itself, creating a gravitational pull so strong that even light cannot escape. On the other hand, the Big Bang is believed to have occurred in a single moment, when all matter and energy in the universe was condensed into an infinitely dense point.

Are Black Holes and the Big Bang related in any way?

While they have different origins, Black Holes and the Big Bang are both governed by the same fundamental laws of physics. In fact, some theories suggest that Black Holes may have played a role in the formation of the universe during the Big Bang.

How do Black Holes and the Big Bang affect the surrounding space and time?

Black Holes have a strong gravitational pull that warps space and time around them, and can even slow down the passage of time. The Big Bang, on the other hand, is responsible for the expansion of the universe and the stretching of space and time itself.

Can we observe Black Holes and the Big Bang directly?

While we cannot directly observe Black Holes, we can detect their presence through the effects they have on surrounding matter and light. The Big Bang, on the other hand, can be observed indirectly through the cosmic microwave background radiation, which is believed to be a remnant of the initial explosion.

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