Simple integral, that I don't understand

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In summary, the conversation discusses how to get a particular solution from the general solution using a boundary condition. The question involves finding a solution to the differential equation \frac{dy}{dx} = \frac{x^2}{y} with the boundary condition y = 2 when x = 3. The conversation also includes a step-by-step solution process and clarification on the use of boundary conditions. Ultimately, the solution is given as y^2 = \frac{2x^3}{3} - 14.
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Homework Statement



I know how to integrate, but I don't understand the wording of the question and what it all means...

Question: How to get a particular solution from the general solution using a BOUNDARY CONIDTION.

[tex]\frac{dy}{dx} = \frac{x^2}{y}[/tex]

subject to the condition that [tex]y = 2[/tex] when [tex]y = 3[/tex]

2. The attempt at a solution

[tex]\frac{y^2}{2} = \frac{x^3}{3} + C[/tex]

[tex]y = 2[/tex] and [tex]y = 3[/tex]

replace into equation...

[tex]2 = 9+ C[/tex]
[tex]C = -7[/tex]

then I guess I replace it into the general solution to verify??

[tex]\frac{y^2}{2} = \frac{x^3}{3} + C[/tex]

[tex]y^2 = \frac{2x^3}{3} - (2)7[/tex]

[tex]y^2 = \frac{2(3)^3}{3} - (2)7[/tex]

[tex]y^2 = \frac{2(3)^3}{3} - 14[/tex]

[tex]y^2 = 18 - 14[/tex]

[tex]y = \sqrt{4}[/tex]

[tex]y = 2[/tex]

I know how to integrate ect.. It's just I don't understand what the question wants? Maybe I solved it?
 
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The form with the C in it is the general form. You found the particular form when you determined C=-7. You are done.
 
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snowJT said:

Homework Statement



I know how to integrate, but I don't understand the wording of the question and what it all means...

Question: How to get a particular solution from the general solution using a BOUNDARY CONIDTION.

[tex]\frac{dy}{dx} = \frac{x^2}{y}[/tex]

subject to the condition that [tex]y = 2[/tex] when [tex]y = 3[/tex]
Surely you mean "y= 2 when x= 3".

2. The attempt at a solution

[tex]\frac{y^2}{2} = \frac{x^3}{3} + C[/tex]

[tex]y = 2[/tex] and [tex]y = 3[/tex]
Again, the second equation is x= 3

replace into equation...

[tex]2 = 9+ C[/tex]
[tex]C = -7[/tex]

then I guess I replace it into the general solution to verify??
Yes, that's exactly right.

[tex]\frac{y^2}{2} = \frac{x^3}{3} + C[/tex]

[tex]y^2 = \frac{2x^3}{3} - (2)7[/tex]
This is correct.

[tex]y^2 = \frac{2(3)^3}{3} - (2)7[/tex]

[tex]y^2 = \frac{2(3)^3}{3} - 14[/tex]
Now I am confused. Why are you setting x equal to 3?

[tex]y^2 = 18 - 14[/tex]

[tex]y = \sqrt{4}[/tex]

[tex]y = 2[/tex]

I know how to integrate ect.. It's just I don't understand what the question wants? Maybe I solved it?
Yes, just like you were told, "when x= 3, y= 2"! Were you checking? The solution to the problem is [tex]y^2= \frac{2x^3}{3}- 14[/tex]
 
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I assumed y=3 was a typo. If the phrase "BOUNDARY CONIDTION" is the source of your confusion, then "x=3, y=2" IS a boundary condition. And you are done.
 
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HallsofIvy said:
Now I am confused. Why are you setting x equal to 3?

what else should I do with it?

ya sorry its suppose to read x = 3 then i copy pasted my mistake
 
  • #6
you don't need to set x=3. This is a boundary condition, which you used to obtain the value of the constant of integration. You have done this, so have the solution [tex]y^2= \frac{2x^3}{3}- 14[/tex]
 
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you mean [tex]y^2= \frac{2x^3}{3}- 7[/tex] right? because it would be 14 if I made y = 2
 
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No, i mean [tex]y^2= \frac{2x^3}{3}- 14[/tex](*). You had the equation [tex]\frac{y^2}{2} = \frac{x^3}{3} + C[/tex], which you solved for C to get C=-7. But now multiplying through by 2, we obtain (*)
 
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oh... I missed that, I'm sorry

I don't think I'll ever bebale to catch you on anything, you're eye is too good
 
  • #10
Let's face it. His first post was correct except for typos in the posting. He just thought he might be supposed to do something else. Now he's confused. The phrase "Maybe I solved it?" should have simply been answered "yes".
 

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