Simplification and solving of equation

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In summary, the conversation discussed two problems: (1) Simplifying 1/4(2n-2n+2); and (2) Solving the equation 2(2x+1)-9(2x)+4=0. Suggestions were given to combine like terms in the first problem and to rewrite the first term in the second problem to make it easier to solve. The person asking for help may need to spend more time practicing and familiarizing themselves with using latex.
  • #1
chikis
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Homework Statement


The problem are two:
(1) Simplify: 1/4(2n- 2n+2)

(2) Solve the equation 2(2x+1)- 9(2x) + 4 = 0

Homework Equations



The Attempt at a Solution


for the number one question, simplify:
1/4(2n- 2n+2)

1/4(2n- 2n+2)
= 4-1(2n-2n+2)
= 2(-2)(2n-2n+2)
= 2(-2)(2n-2n*22
I can't go further please I need asistance.

For the second question, solve the equation:
2(2x+1)- 9(2x) + 4 = 0

I don't just know how to start dealing with the question. It is really a troubsome question.
 
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I'm confused as to your original equations.

$$(1)\frac{1}{4}2^n-2^{n+2}$$
$$(2)\ 2^{2x+1} - 9(2^x + 4)$$

Are those correct?
 
  • #3
chikis said:

Homework Statement


The problem are two:
(1) Simplify: 1/4(2n[sup/]- 2n+2[sup/])

(2) Solve the equation 2(2x+1)- 9(2x[sup/] + 4 = 0

Homework Equations



The Attempt at a Solution


for the number one question, simplify:
1/4(2n[sup/]- 2n+2[sup/])

1/4(2n[sup/]- 2n+2[sup/])
= 4-1[sup/](2n[sup/]-2n+2[sup/])
= 2(-2)[sup/](2n[sup/]-2n+2[sup/])
= 2(-2)[sup/](2n[sup/]-2n[sup/]*22[sup/]
I can't go further please I need asistance.

For the second question, solve the equation:
2(2x+1)- 9(2x[sup/] + 4 = 0
I don't just know how to start dealing with the question. It is really a troubsome question.


Use [S U P] and [/S U P] (but with no spaces), not [sup ] and [ /sup]. In fact, just use the "X2" button on the palette at the top in the input panel.

RGV
 
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Ray Vickson said:
Use [S U P] and [/S U P] (but with no spaces), not [sup ] and [ /sup]. In fact, just use the "X2" button on the palette at the top in the input panel.

RGV

I have edited the problem so that it can be seen clearly.
 
  • #5
Villyer said:
I'm confused as to your original equations.

$$(1)\frac{1}{4}2^n-2^{n+2}$$
$$(2)\ 2^{2x+1} - 9(2^x + 4)$$

Are those correct?

I have edited my opening post so that it can be seen clearly. Maybe you can look at the problem again.
 
  • #6
For (1), you are close. Combine like terms.

For (2), it is actually a quadratic. Can you see what the variable is?
 
  • #7
Villyer said:
For (1), you are close. Combine like terms.
If like terms is collected, the expression will look like this:
2(-2)*22(2n-2n)
= 2(2n-2n)
= 2n+1-2n

For (2), it is actually a quadratic. Can you see what the variable is?
No! I didn't see the variable.
 
  • #8
chikis said:
If like terms is collected, the expression will look like this:
2(-2)*22(2n-2n)
This does not follow from the last line you had written in your opening post:
chikis said:
= 2(-2)(2n-2n+2)
= 2(-2)(2n-2n*22

What we have so far is

[tex]2^{-2}(2^n-2^n\cdot 2^2)[/tex]

Can you expand this?

chikis said:
No! I didn't see the variable.
There is a basic rule of exponentiation that says that if you exponentiate an exponent, you multiply the exponents together. What this is saying is that
[tex](a^m)^n=a^{mn}[/tex]

So then what does [itex](2^x)^2[/itex] simplify to?
 
  • #9
chikis said:
If like terms is collected, the expression will look like this:
2(-2)*22(2n-2n)
= 2(2n-2n)
= 2n+1-2n
Nope. Look at the last step in your original post:
chikis said:
1/4(2n- 2n+2)

1/4(2n- 2n+2)
= 4-1(2n-2n+2)
= 2(-2)(2n-2n+2)
= 2(-2)(2n-2n*22)
Answer this: what is x - 4x?
Now answer this: what is 2n - 4*2n?
That's what Villyer meant by combining terms.

chikis said:
No! I didn't see the variable.
[itex]2^{2x+1} - 9\cdot 2^x + 4[/itex]
Rewrite the 1st term so it looks like (something) times 22x.EDIT: Beaten to it. :wink:
 
  • #10
I don't understand what you guys are writing, write using the same format I used in showing my raise to power in my opening post. I will understand it better and therefore be able to respond to the numerous replies you guys are posting.
 
  • #11
chikis said:
I don't understand what you guys are writing, write using the same format I used in showing my raise to power in my opening post. I will understand it better and therefore be able to respond to the numerous replies you guys are posting.

You can't see Latex? I think you should try find out and fix what the problem is on your end, because Latex is commonly used on this forum and not just in this thread.
 
  • #12
Mentallic said:
You can't see Latex? I think you should try find out and fix what the problem is on your end, because Latex is commonly used on this forum and not just in this thread.

Please help me, I believe I would be able to understand and write using latex with time. Please help me, I really need this help please!
 
  • #13
chikis said:
Please help me, I believe I would be able to understand and write using latex with time. Please help me, I really need this help please!
I'm not asking you to learn to use latex so suddenly, but rather I'm confused as to why you can't read what we've written. Correct me if I'm wrong, but I think that Latex is software that's inbuilt into this forum, so basically everyone can read it (unless they have some horribly outdated internet browser).

Anyway, I'll edit what emuyang and I wrote in the format you've requested.
Mentallic said:
This does not follow from the last line you had written in your opening post:What we have so far is

2-2*(2n - 2n*22)

Can you expand this?There is a basic rule of exponentiation that says that if you exponentiate an exponent, you multiply the exponents together. What this is saying is that
(am)n=amn

So then what does (2x)2 simplify to?
eumyang said:
Nope. Look at the last step in your original post:

Answer this: what is x - 4x?
Now answer this: what is 2n - 4*2n?
That's what Villyer meant by combining terms.22x+1 - 9*2x + 4
Rewrite the 1st term so it looks like (something) times 22x.EDIT: Beaten to it. :wink:

EDIT: Changed the ^ to [sup ] tags
 
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  • #14
chikis said:
Please help me, I believe I would be able to understand and write using latex with time. Please help me, I really need this help please!

You have been given lots of help---any more help and we would be doing your homework for you. If you are having trouble understanding what people write you need to sit down with a pencil and several sheets of paper and start writing things down in whatever notation you like.

RGV
 
  • #15
Ray Vickson said:
You have been given lots of help---any more help and we would be doing your homework for you. If you are having trouble understanding what people write you need to sit down with a pencil and several sheets of paper and start writing things down in whatever notation you like.

RGV

I did not ask you to do my home work. What I ask is this: give me directions that will help me do the homework. That's all that I ask, anything far from that then you are doing my homework. I know that you are giving me some asistance, but how can I work with the language I don't understand. I know that apart from latex, there are other formats that can be used and I will be able to understand all the replies you are posting and be able to respond accordingly.
 
  • #16
chikis said:
I did not ask you to do my home work. What I ask is this: give me directions that will help me do the homework. That's all that I ask, anything far from that then you are doing my homework. I know that you are giving me some asistance, but how can I work with the language I don't understand. I know that apart from latex, there are other formats that can be used and I will be able to understand all the replies you are posting and be able to respond accordingly.

Here is what one responder said to you:

"Answer this: what is x - 4x?
Now answer this: what is 2n - 4*2n? "

So, what are your answers? Do you see why the answers are important?

RGV
 
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  • #17
Ray Vickson said:
Here is what one responder said to you:

"Answer this: what is x - 4x?
Is just an expression an algebraic expression. If factored it will look like this: x(1-4)
= x(1-2)(2+1)
Now answer this: what is 2n - 4*2n? "

So, what are your answers? Do you see why the answers are important?

RGV

That is 2 raise power n minus 4 times 2 raise to power n. It can be simplified further to appear like this: 2n - 22 * 2n
= 2n/22+n
= 2n-(2+n)
= 2n-2-n
 
  • #18
chikis said:
Is just an expression an algebraic expression. If factored it will look like this: x(1-4)
= x(1-2)(2+1)
But neither of these is the simplest way to write it. It's not very useful to factor 1 - 4.
chikis said:
That is 2 raise power n minus 4 times 2 raise to power n. It can be simplified further to appear like this: 2n - 22 * 2n
The above is not wrong, but it's not helpful to write 4 as 22.
Your work below here is incorrect.
chikis said:
= 2n/22+n
= 2n-(2+n)
= 2n-2-n

These two problems are similar, and you are making them much more complicated than they deserve.
 
  • #19
Mark44 said:
But neither of these is the simplest way to write it. It's not very useful to factor 1 - 4.
The above is not wrong, but it's not helpful to write 4 as 22.
Your work below here is incorrect.


These two problems are similar, and you are making them much more complicated than they deserve.

What else can I do then?
 
  • #20
chikis said:
What else can I do then?
1 - 4 = -3, Correct ?
 
  • #21
SammyS said:
1 - 4 = -3, Correct ?

Oh no! You just reminded me that x-4x is also -3x. Anyway thanks for that. The question is what else can I do?
 
  • #22
So now what is 2n - 4*2n in its simplest form?
 
  • #23
Mark44 said:
So now what is 2n - 4*2n in its simplest form?

It can be expressed as: 2n-22*2n
= 2n-22*2n
= 2n/22+n
= 2n-2-n
= 22
= 4
 
  • #24
chikis said:
It can be expressed as: 2n-22*2n
= 2n-22*2n
= 2n/22+n
No, there's no property of exponents that let's you do this (above).
chikis said:
= 2n-2-n
= 22
= 4

Start with this: 2n-22*2n, and factor out 2n.
 
  • #25
Mark44 said:
No, there's no property of exponents that let's you do this (above).


Start with this: 2n-22*2n, and factor out 2n.

what I can make out from: 2n-22*2n
Is that 2 is common here, but how to factorise 2n out, I don't know because am not use to that kind of factorisation where the whole terms is raised to a power, different powers for that matter.
 
  • #26
chikis said:
what I can make out from: 2n-22*2n
Is that 2 is common here, but how to factorise 2n out, I don't know because am not use to that kind of factorisation where the whole terms is raised to a power, different powers for that matter.
2n is in common .

Let x = 2n. then you have x - (22)*x .

What does that simplify to?
 
  • #27
SammyS said:
2n is in common .

Let x = 2n. then you have x - (22)*x .

What does that simplify to?

How can 2n be common, when the whole three terms are raised different powers? What about the other 2 that is raised to power two?
If x = 2n
----> x - (22)*x .

= x - 4x
= -3x
 
  • #28
chikis said:
...

If x = 2n
----> x - (22)*x .

= x - 4x
= -3x
Right.

And if x = 2n , that gives you
-3x → (-3) (2n).​
 
  • #29
chikis said:
How can 2n be common, when the whole three terms are raised different powers? What about the other 2 that is raised to power two?

This is a simple application of a basic property of multiplication, called the distributive property. Surely you must be familiar with this property, right?

A(B+C)=A*B+A*C

Applying this property with A=2n B=1 and C=-22, and recognizing that 2n=2n*1, gives you 2n-22*2n=2n(1-22). This is what is meant by "factoring out" 2n.
 
  • #30
chikis said:
How can 2n be common, when the whole three terms are raised different powers? What about the other 2 that is raised to power two?
If x = 2n
----> x - (22)*x .

= x - 4x
= -3x

Congratulations. You managed too have others complete your homework for you. Well done.

RGV
 
  • #31
Ray Vickson said:
Congratulations. You managed too have others complete your homework for you. Well done.

RGV

Give the guy a break, he's been struggling with applying a simple factorization. Dragging him along for days to answer such a brief question is probably not the best approach here.
He's also taken multiple attempts at the answer thus far.
 
  • #32
Mentallic said:
Give the guy a break, he's been struggling with applying a simple factorization. Dragging him along for days to answer such a brief question is probably not the best approach here.
He's also taken multiple attempts at the answer thus far.

I genuinely believe that the best way for him to learn is to get a mark of zero on that problem and to then study the posted solutions after getting his paper back. That way he might actually, finally, absorb and *understand* the material.

RGV
 
  • #33
Ray Vickson said:
Congratulations. You managed too have others complete your homework for you. Well done.

RGV

Nothing has been completed yet because I cannot work with what I don't understand. So the thread is still going on.
 
  • #34
Mentallic said:
Give the guy a break, he's been struggling with applying a simple factorization. Dragging him along for days to answer such a brief question is probably not the best approach here.
He's also taken multiple attempts at the answer thus far.



Nothing has been completed yet because I cannot work with what I don't understand. So the thread is still going on.
 
  • #35
Ray Vickson said:
I genuinely believe that the best way for him to learn is to get a mark of zero on that problem and to then study the posted solutions after getting his paper back. That way he might actually, finally, absorb and *understand* the material.

RGV

You want me to fail? Then you are not helping matters.
 

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