Simultaneous eigenstate of angular momentum and hamiltonian

In summary: Then use the fact that ##m## can take integer and half integer values to show that the Hamiltonian is degenerate.In summary, the conversation discusses the behavior of the operator ##L_3## under the transformation induced by ##\Pi_1## and the degeneracy of the Hamiltonian in the presence of this transformation. It is shown that ##L_3## acts on the azimuthal coordinate and that the Hamiltonian is degenerate due to the fact that different values of ##m## can correspond to the same energy state.
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davon806
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Homework Statement


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The Attempt at a Solution


I suppose we have to show
L_3 (Π_1) | E,m> = λ (Π_1) | E,m>
and
H (Π_1) | E,m> = μ (Π_1) | E,m>
And I guess there is something to do with the formula given? But they are in x_1 direction so what did they have to do with | E,m> ?
Any hints given will be much appreciated.
Thanks:smile:
 
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davon806 said:
I suppose we have to show
L_3 (Π_1) | E,m> = λ (Π_1) | E,m>
Figure out the behavior of ##L_3## under the transformation induced by ##\Pi_1##.
davon806 said:
H (Π_1) | E,m> = μ (Π_1) | E,m>
First show that the Hamiltonian commutes with ##\Pi_1##.
 
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blue_leaf77 said:
Figure out the behavior of ##L_3## under the transformation induced by ##\Pi_1##.

First show that the Hamiltonian commutes with ##\Pi_1##.

1.I don't know what Π_1 is representing , I mean,like position and momentum operator you have Xψ = xψ , Pψ = -ih d/dx ψ ,but here you have got something like ΠXΠ^-1 = -X which is not the usual form of Kψ = kψ. Then what can I do to compute [ H,Π } ?

2.Since L_3 is acting in the z-direction, Π L_3 ∏^-1 = L_3 ? so Π L_3 = L_3 Π and
L_3 Π | E,m> = Π L_3 | E,m> = m Π | E,m> ?

However ,the question said Π X ∏^-1 is valid for position and momentum operator, but here we are dealing with angular momentum operator?
 
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##\Pi_1## is the parity operator in ##x## direction. It is defined by its action in position space on a wavefunction ##\psi(x_1,x_2,x_3)## by ##\Pi_1 \psi(x_1,x_2,x_3) = \psi(-x_1,x_2,x_3)##. But this is not necessary in the present problem since you are already given by its transformation properties.
davon806 said:
here we are dealing with angular momentum operator?
By expanding ##L_3 = x_1 p_2 - x_2 p_1## and using the properties of ##\Pi_1## as given in the question, calculate ##L_3 \Pi_1##.
davon806 said:
here you have got something like ΠXΠ^-1 = -X which is not the usual form of Kψ = kψ.
Don't compare them, one is the product between operators and the other one is the application of an operator on a state.
davon806 said:
Since L_3 is acting in the z-direction
No, it doesn't. It acts on the azimuthal coordinate instead, please review again your QM notes.
 
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blue_leaf77 said:
##\Pi_1## is the parity operator in ##x## direction. It is defined by its action in position space on a wavefunction ##\psi(x_1,x_2,x_3)## by ##\Pi_1 \psi(x_1,x_2,x_3) = \psi(-x_1,x_2,x_3)##. But this is not necessary in the present problem since you are already given by its transformation properties.

By expanding ##L_3 = x_1 p_2 - x_2 p_1## and using the properties of ##\Pi_1## as given in the question, calculate ##L_3 \Pi_1##.

Don't compare them, one is the product between operators and the other one is the application of an operator on a state.

No, it doesn't. It acts on the azimuthal coordinate instead, please review again your QM notes.

Thanks I got the first part of red box:smile:. For the remaining part, I need to show that the Hamiltonian is degenerate. By definition that means E corresponds to more than 1 eigenstate. I am not sure , but from the form of eigenstate | E,m > and the equation H | E,m > = E | E,m > , we see that m does not appear in the eigenvalue of H so I guess m can play a role here? Like E corresponds to | E,1> , | E,0> and | E,-1> ; though I don't know the correct way of saying this.
 
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davon806 said:
I guess m can play a role here?
Yes in an indirect way.
To do this part, you can show that ##|E,m\rangle## and ##\Pi_1|E,m\rangle## correspond to the same energy but different ##m## values.
 
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