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Edin_Dzeko
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Mépris said:Would you rather you get everything right straight away? Wouldn't it just be *too* easy? I find what you describe much more fun than the former but hey, maybe that's just me.
Mépris said:Would you rather you get everything right straight away? Wouldn't it just be *too* easy? I find what you describe much more fun than the former but hey, maybe that's just me.
Edin_Dzeko said:[1] You're not serious are you? Have you been on a college campus or a college lecture hall before? Classmates are interested in discussing physics and having deep discussions? No way, bro. You think the conversation that's usually going on between college students (even physics majors) are about deep physics? . The only way college can be intellectually stimulating is if an individual makes it that way themselves. Otherwise, college won't intellectually stimulate you in anyway. Go ask many 4.0 students why they're completely clueless about subjects they got A's in. Intellectually stimulating my **s.
[2] I find it hard to believe a professor will push you to do your best. It lies solely on you to push yourself to do your best. Unless you make yourself known to the professor, you'll even just be a name on a piece of paper to him. The professor don't care about you to the extent to push you to do your best. You have to push yourself. You are spot on with your research point though. But there are even ways around that.
[3] Learn? Ease the learning process?I can't believe what I'm reading. Do you know what learning means? Ease the learning process? How?
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micromass said:Well, I guess you have very bad contact with your classmates. Not everybody is keen on discussing interesting things, but there are always some students out there who are. I know a few people who were in my class who I could talk to about math.
Not at all. Professors were always quite nice to me and we could talk about a lot. We were certainly not just a name on a piece of paper! They knew uss all personally. Some even asked us to enter a math competition and they helped us with it (in their free time!).
Admitted, not every prof will be like that, but some are!
I'm saddened that you don't have the same university experience than the most of us. University is a stimulating place. Whether you go to a bad university, or whether it's you you, I don't know. Maybe you should start by being less judgmental??
Mépris said:In the event I'm frustrated to no end, then perhaps I might want to but I'd rather just leave the problem as it is, if I can afford to, and come back to it on a later date. I find much more satisfaction this way.
If things were to get unbelievably too easy, I'd eventually move on to something else. I like math and physics because while I'm kinda good at 'em, I'm not good enough. They prove to be a challenge for me. If neither of them didn't, I'd have stopped a long time ago.
Edin_Dzeko said:[1] YOU, you, you. You're being specific to just you, man. You're the exception to the rule.
TMFKAN64 said:It's not completely unheard of for a high school and college drop out to go to graduate school. (I remember reading of such a case in the NY Times obituaries a few years ago, when a professor who had done exactly that and went on to have a successful research career had died.) However, it's sort of like saying you'd rather not enter a building through the front door, you'd rather scale the masonry like a human fly and climb in through a small ventilation duct on the roof instead. Yes, I suppose it is possible, but...
Self-study is wonderful, and I'd never discourage it, but it has definite limitations. Firstly, it is very hard, if not impossible, to truly evaluate how well you understand the material on your own. Furthermore, if you get stuck (and at some point, you *will* get stuck), it is difficult to get past this without professors or classmates to talk to.
My experience has been that universities *are* intellectually stimulating environments. Not 24/7, but over the long haul, certainly.
TMFKAN64 said:Actually, I think that *YOU* are the exception to the rule!![]()
Edin_Dzeko said:It comes back to you again. YOU are not enough to make some of these conclusions. Suppose you never went forward, tried to get to know your professor, your professor wouldn't have come to you and tried to get to know you. He/she doesn't care! Especially in a large lecture class. You have to make the initiative, take the first step. Goes back to what I was saying about the individual pushing him/herself. Prof's don't care about you.
Edin_Dzeko said:[3] Universities (in the U.S.) = big joke!nothing intellectually stimulating unless the individual makes it that way even then he / she is surrounded by a campus culture that teaches against him/her pursuing intellectual things
nickadams said:I always see you post stuff like this and it leads me to believe you go to a bad school.You can't call HYPSM, caltech, berkeley etc. big jokes.
Edin_Dzeko said:[1] YOU, you, you. You're being specific to just you, man. You're the exception to the rule. But remember in science, the amount of people that's taken into consideration for research is an important factor. Your experience is not enough. Learn to look at the big picture.
[2] It comes back to you again. YOU are not enough to make some of these conclusions. Suppose you never went forward, tried to get to know your professor, your professor wouldn't have come to you and tried to get to know you. He/she doesn't care! Especially in a large lecture class. You have to make the initiative, take the first step. Goes back to what I was saying about the individual pushing him/herself. Prof's don't care about you.
[3] You don't have a clue about my university experience. So I'm judgmental because I challenge you, express my opinion? C'mon, debate my points; don't attack me.
Choppy said:I care about my students.
Edin_Dzeko said:I'm sorry, I'm not impressed by "names"
micromass said:You're doing the same as me. You also aren't enough to make the conclusions you make! Your experience is also not enough! So please, stop spouting nonsense that university aren't intellectual or are a big joke. It isn't true.
Edin_Dzeko said:I'm not going by experience alone. This is something I've witnessed not just at my school, with my professors, but with other students, other professors, and at other schools.
A university can only be intellectually stimulating environments if the individual decides to make it that way. The argument you guys are making is that the university rather push's the individual towards intellect because of the environment. That's not true. It's completely bogus! It's up to the individual to push themselves, learn, and pursue intellect.
Ryan_m_b said:How about results? Most good universities are good universities because they produce successful alumni and produce good research.
Edin_Dzeko said:[1] Success is a personal thing. I consider my father a very successful individual. He doesn't have a college degree. Come at me again about success. Many state schools also produce MD's, engineers, lawyers, politicians, should I go on?
[2] Good research? I don't believe that. Good research doesn't only happen at "big name" schools. They just have resources.
Not sure what you mean by state school (hint: not everyone from this forum is from your country yet we still have universities). Also you are being very fallacious here, you are drawing the false inference from what I and others have said that you can only be successful if you got to a good university. Ridiculous. However if you look at all the alumni of a university and measure things like wealth, position, what they've done and find that the majority of people score highly it makes the university look good. Especially if you look at specifics i.e. many biologists from university X are more successful biologists than those from university Y.Edin_Dzeko said:[1] Success is a personal thing. I consider my father a very successful individual. He doesn't have a college degree. Come at me again about success. Many state schools also produce MD's, engineers, lawyers, politicians, should I go on?
Who said they did? Not me certainly. If a university big or small does good research they can get funding to do more, this builds up over time and eventually the reputation of that university becomes great for good reason.Edin_Dzeko said:[2] Good research? I don't believe that. Good research doesn't only happen at "big name" schools. They just have resources.
You are derailing this thread with your personal grievances. No more off topic posts.Edin_Dzeko said:[1] Success is a personal thing. I consider my father a very successful individual. He doesn't have a college degree. Come at me again about success. Many state schools also produce MD's, engineers, lawyers, politicians, should I go on?
[2] Good research? I don't believe that. Good research doesn't only happen at "big name" schools. They just have resources.
Ryan_m_b said:Why on Earth do you think that your experience is worth more than others? Oh, because you've seen it elsewhere. I'm sorry but no. All of my university experiences (I've been to more than one) have meant that I have both encountered bad and good environments, there have been good professors that stimulate and excite, good classes full of intelligent and interested people and good students who really like to stimulate themselves and each others. On the other hand I've seen the exact opposite to that. It all depends on the people, not much else.
Good universities are good because they get results, they become famous for producing well educated alumni who go on to be successes and if they perform genuinely important and good work. There is also an element of branding I admit but you can't deny the former two points.
Evo said:You are derailing this thread with your personal grievances. No more off topic posts.
Mépris said:Would you rather you get everything right straight away? Wouldn't it just be *too* easy? I find what you describe much more fun than the former but hey, maybe that's just me.
SophusLies said:Naaahhh. But I'm just letting the OP know that it's not only about scoring a good GRE and skipping into grad school. Even after studying hard for 4 years as an undergrad I found out very quickly that grad school is a beast.
] Universities (in the U.S.) = big joke! nothing intellectually stimulating unless the individual makes it that way even then he / she is surrounded by a campus culture that teaches against him/her pursuing intellectual things
Success is a personal thing. I consider my father a very successful individual. He doesn't have a college degree.
Good research? I don't believe that. Good research doesn't only happen at "big name" schools. They just have resources.