So close to solving - force/friction

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In summary, after solving the given equations and plugging in all the numbers without rounding off, the mass m1 was determined to be 0.735 kg and the coefficient of kinetic friction between m1 and the shelf was determined to be 0.280.
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A mass m1 on a horizontal shelf is attached by a thin string that passes over a frictionless pulley to a 3.0 kg mass (m2) that hangs over the side of the shelf 1.3 m above the ground. The system is released from rest at t = 0 and the 3.0 kg mass strikes the ground at t = 0.78 s. The system is now placed in its initial position and a 1.2 kg mass is placed on top of the block of mass m1. Released from rest, the 3.0 kg mass now strikes the ground 1.3 seconds later.
(a) Determine the mass m1.
kg

(b) Determine the coefficient of kinetic friction between m1 and the shelf.


What I done:
d = ½at²
In this case:
1.3m = ½(a_before)(0.78s)²
and:
1.3m = ½(a_after)(1.3s)²

Ab = 4.3m/s^2
Aa = 1.5m/s^2

In the "before" case:
1)F_net1_before = T_before - (μk)(m1)(g) = (m1)(a_before)
and:
2)F_net2_before = (m2)(g) - T_before = (m2)(a_before)

In the "after" case:
3)F_net1_after = T_after - (μk)(m1+1.2kg)(g) = (m1+1.2kg)(a_after)
and
4)F_net2_after = (m2)(g) - T_after = (m2)(a_after)

I combined equations 1 and 2 to eliminate Tb
I combined equations 3 and 4 to eliminate Ta

I plugged in the numbers and got up to
16.53 - (Uk)(M1)(9.81) = (M1)(4.3)
and
20.43 -(Uk)(M1+1.2)(9.81) = (M1+1.2)(1.5)

First equation, solved for Uk:
Uk = (16.53 - (M1)(4.3)) / ((M1)(9.81))

Second equation, solved for Uk:
Uk = (20.43 - (M1+1.2)(1.5)) / (M1+1.2)(9.81)

(16.53 - (M1)(4.3)) / ((M1)(9.81)) = (20.43 - (M1+1.2)(1.5)) / (M1+1.2)(9.81)

I did that and ended up with quadratic equations and I plug that in the formula and ended up with a value for M1. When I plug in M1 to the 2 Uk equations, they did not match.

What I did wrong?
Please help, I spent hours on this, please help. Thanks!
I believe is more of algebraic mistake but I've been going through this so much, if anyone can point out where I went wrong.
 
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ff4930 said:
What I done:
d = ½at²
In this case:
1.3m = ½(a_before)(0.78s)²
and:
1.3m = ½(a_after)(1.3s)²

Ab = 4.3m/s^2
Aa = 1.5m/s^2
OK, but don't round off your calculations until the end.

In the "before" case:
1)F_net1_before = T_before - (μk)(m1)(g) = (m1)(a_before)
and:
2)F_net2_before = (m2)(g) - T_before = (m2)(a_before)

In the "after" case:
3)F_net1_after = T_after - (μk)(m1+1.2kg)(g) = (m1+1.2kg)(a_after)
and
4)F_net2_after = (m2)(g) - T_after = (m2)(a_after)

I combined equations 1 and 2 to eliminate Tb
I combined equations 3 and 4 to eliminate Ta
Good.

I plugged in the numbers and got up to
16.53 - (Uk)(M1)(9.81) = (M1)(4.3)
and
20.43 -(Uk)(M1+1.2)(9.81) = (M1+1.2)(1.5)
Double check that 20.43 number. (Best to redo all numbers, to avoid roundoff errors.)

First equation, solved for Uk:
Uk = (16.53 - (M1)(4.3)) / ((M1)(9.81))

Second equation, solved for Uk:
Uk = (20.43 - (M1+1.2)(1.5)) / (M1+1.2)(9.81)

(16.53 - (M1)(4.3)) / ((M1)(9.81)) = (20.43 - (M1+1.2)(1.5)) / (M1+1.2)(9.81)
This looks OK.

I did that and ended up with quadratic equations and I plug that in the formula and ended up with a value for M1. When I plug in M1 to the 2 Uk equations, they did not match.
When you put the above into standard form for a quadratic you might have made an error. I would have solved the first for Uk, as you did, but then plugged that into the second equation to solve for M1.
 
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I finally got it! After so much math crunching and leaving all the decimal places as they are have paid off. Thank you Doc for the advice of redoing the numbers.
It is always sweeter when you solve a problem all by your self(with exception of your help teehee). Thanks!
 

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1. What is force?

Force is a physical quantity that can cause an object to accelerate, change direction, or deform. It is typically described as a push or pull on an object.

2. How is force related to friction?

Friction is a type of force that resists motion between two surfaces in contact. The amount of friction between two surfaces depends on their roughness, the force pushing them together, and the type of material they are made of.

3. What is static friction?

Static friction is the force that prevents two surfaces from sliding over each other when there is no relative motion between them. It is typically greater than kinetic friction, which is the force that resists motion between two surfaces that are already in motion.

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