Solve for positive integer solutions

In summary, the conversation discusses solving for positive integers $x$ and $y$ in an equation, where the left side is factored and the prime common divisor is used to show that no solutions exist. The solution involves proving that $x-y$ and $x+y+1$ are coprime, and then using this to show that no positive integer solutions can exist.
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Solve for positive integers $x$ and $y$ where $x^2+x=y^3+y^2+y$.
 
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anemone said:
Solve for positive integers $x$ and $y$ where $x^2+x=y^3+y^2+y$.

Trick question?

Pretty sure there's no solution to that.

2x = -1 + SQRT[1 + 4y(y^2 + y + 1)]

Tu est cruel, Anemone!
 
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Wilmer said:
Trick question?

Pretty sure there's no solution to that.

2x = -1 + SQRT[1 + 4y(y^2 + y + 1)]

Tu est cruel, Anemone!
No, that is a genuine contest problem and solver is expected to convince us why the above equation has no solutions. (Malthe)

Au fait, Je suis tout mignon et gentil.:p
 
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anemone said:
No, that is a genuine contest problem and solver is expected to convince us why the above equation has no solutions. (Malthe)

Au fait, Je suis tout mignon et gentil.:p

needs closure
 
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anemone said:
Solve for positive integers $x$ and $y$ where $x^2+x=y^3+y^2+y$.

My solution:
Note that $x^2+x=x(x+1)$ is the product of two consecutive positive integers whereas $y^3+y^2+y=y(y^2+y+1)$ can never represent the product of two consecutive positive integers. So we can conclude the problem has no solution.
 
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anemone said:
My solution:
Note that $x^2+x=x(x+1)$ is the product of two consecutive positive integers whereas $y^3+y^2+y=y(y^2+y+1)$ can never represent the product of two consecutive positive integers. So we can conclude the problem has no solution.
I'm not saying you are wrong, anemone, but your argument doesn't hold for something like the case 8 * 9 = 4 * 18. No one says that the x function and y function have to give the same pair of factors.
-Dan
 
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anemone said:
Solve for positive integers $x$ and $y$ where $x^2+x=y^3+y^2+y$.
[sp]Write the equation as $x^2 - y^2 + x - y = y^3.$ The left side factorises, giving $(x-y)(x+y + 1) = y^3.$ Suppose that $p$ is a prime common divisor of $x-y$ and $x+y+1$. Then $p$ also divides their product $y^3$ and therefore $p$ divides $y$. So $p$ divides $(x-y)+2y = x+y$. It follows that $p$ cannot divide $x+y+1$, contradicting the initial assumption about $p$.

That contradiction shows that no such $p$ can exist, and therefore $x-y$ and $x+y+1$ are coprime. But their product is a cube, and so they must each individually be cubes, say $x-y = u^3$ and $x+y+1 = v^3$, where $u,v$ are integers with $v>u>0.$ Also, $u^3v^3 = y^3$ so that $y=uv.$

Thus $x-uv = u^3$ and $x + uv + 1 = v^3$. Hence $(u^3 + uv) + uv + 1 = v^3$, from which $$2uv+1 = v^3 - u^3 = (v-u)(v^2 + uv + u^2).$$ But $v-u \geqslant 1$ and hence $v^2 + uv + u^2 \leqslant 2uv+1.$ Therefore $$0 < (v-u)^2 = v^2 - 2uv + u^2 = (v^2 + uv + u^2) - 3uv \leqslant (2uv+1) - 3uv = 1 - uv <0.$$ That is another contradiction, and the conclusion this time is that no positive integer solution $(x,y)$ to the original equation can exist.[/sp]
 
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Opalg said:
[sp]Write the equation as $x^2 - y^2 + x - y = y^3.$ The left side factorises, giving $(x-y)(x+y + 1) = y^3.$ Suppose that $p$ is a prime common divisor of $x-y$ and $x+y+1$. Then $p$ also divides their product $y^3$ and therefore $p$ divides $y$. So $p$ divides $(x-y)+2y = x+y$. It follows that $p$ cannot divide $x+y+1$, contradicting the initial assumption about $p$.

That contradiction shows that no such $p$ can exist, and therefore $x-y$ and $x+y+1$ are coprime. But their product is a cube, and so they must each individually be cubes, say $x-y = u^3$ and $x+y+1 = v^3$, where $u,v$ are integers with $v>u>0.$ Also, $u^3v^3 = y^3$ so that $y=uv.$

Thus $x-uv = u^3$ and $x + uv + 1 = v^3$. Hence $(u^3 + uv) + uv + 1 = v^3$, from which $$2uv+1 = v^3 - u^3 = (v-u)(v^2 + uv + u^2).$$ But $v-u \geqslant 1$ and hence $v^2 + uv + u^2 \leqslant 2uv+1.$ Therefore $$0 < (v-u)^2 = v^2 - 2uv + u^2 = (v^2 + uv + u^2) - 3uv \leqslant (2uv+1) - 3uv = 1 - uv <0.$$ That is another contradiction, and the conclusion this time is that no positive integer solution $(x,y)$ to the original equation can exist.[/sp]

Thanks Opalg for participating and thanks for the smart solution!(Cool)
 

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