Solve Matrix Equation: Commuting Terms & Integral of A(t)

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I'm just being pedantic, but I want to make sure I'm not missing something.You are correct, [A,integral of A] being zero does not necessarily imply that [A,A']=0. However, in this specific case, [A,integral of A] being zero does imply that [A,A']=0. This is because of the commutativity property stated in the problem, which states that if the integral and A commute, then the unique solution is given by the exponential of the integral. So in this case, [A,integral of A] being zero means that the exponential of the integral is the unique solution, which in turn means that A(t) is equal to the derivative of the exponential, which is
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[tex]\frac{\partial}{\partial t} \phi(t, to) = A(t)\phi(t,to)[/tex]

Show that if

[tex]\int_{to}^t {A(\lambda) d\lambda}[/tex] and [tex]A(t)[/tex] commute, then the unique solution of [tex]\phi(t, to)[/tex] to the above equation is:

[tex]\phi(t, to) = \exp[\int_{to}^t {A(\lambda) d\lambda}][/tex]


The professor said it was very simple, but I can't even get any expression with the integral of A(t) and A(t) in the same equation. I tried plugging the answer in and checking it, because I think that's what he said to do...

[tex]\frac{\partial}{\partial t}\exp[\int_{to}^t {A(\lambda) d\lambda}] = A(t)\exp[\int_{to}^t {A(\lambda) d\lambda}] [/tex]

[tex]\frac{\partial}{\partial t}[\int_{to}^t {A(\lambda) d\lambda}]\exp[\int_{to}^t {A(\lambda) d\lambda}] = A(t)\exp[\int_{to}^t {A(\lambda) d\lambda}][/tex]

Using Euler's formula to evaluate the partial of the integral, I get:

[tex]A(t)\exp[\int_{to}^t {A(\lambda) d\lambda} = A(t)\exp[\int_{to}^t {A(\lambda) d\lambda}[/tex]

Note: [tex]\phi[/tex] and [tex]A[/tex] are matrices.
 
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Physics_wiz said:
I tried plugging the answer in and checking it, because I think that's what he said to do...

[tex]\frac{\partial}{\partial t}\exp[\int_{to}^t {A(\lambda) d\lambda}] = A(t)\exp[\int_{to}^t {A(\lambda) d\lambda}] [/tex]

You are almost done, why go any further? In particular, look at the right-hand side. Your answer is right there.

However, how do you justify going from the left-hand side to the right-hand side? (Hint: you need to use that [itex]\int_{to}^t {A(\lambda) d\lambda}[/itex] and [itex]A(t)[/itex] commute.)
 
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Errr I don't see it. Sorry if this is stupid, but I've thought about it a lot and I don't see it.
 
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D H said:
You are almost done, why go any further? In particular, look at the right-hand side. Your answer is right there.
That was my first thought too, but I don't think that was a part of his calculation. He's just stating the equality that he wants to show.

Wiz, you are trying to evaluate an expression of the form

[tex]\frac{d}{dt}e^{B(t)}[/tex]

and you can't be sure that this is

[tex]B'(t)e^{B(t)}[/tex]

unless [B'(t),B(t)]=0. Do you understand why?

What you need to do is to show that B'(t)=A(t). I wouldn't use any fancy shmancy rules of integration. I would just use the definition of a derivative.

When you have done this, you have shown that [itex]\phi(t,t_0)[/itex] is a solution (for each [itex]t_0[/itex]). Apparently you're also supposed to show that there are no other solutions.
 
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Fredrik said:
unless [B'(t),B(t)] = 0.
What do you mean by that? Both B'(t) and B(t) = 0?

Fredrik said:
So all you need to do is to show that B'(t)=A(t).
I don't see how this solves the problem.

I was thinking that I should get something along the lines of an equation with A multiplied by its integral on one side, and the integral of A multiplied by A on the other side and I would say that the two sides are equal only if A and its integral commute.
 
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Physics_wiz said:
Do you mean only if B'(t) and B(t) commute?
Yes. I kept editing my post for a while and you replied while that mistake was still in there.

Physics_wiz said:
Even if the above is what you mean, I still don't understand why.
You would probably see this if you try to prove that

[tex]\frac{d}{dt}e^{B(t)}=B'(t)e^{B(t)}[/tex]

using the power series definition of the exponential. You won't be able to without using [B',B]=0 (which by the way is the same as [A,integral of A]=0).

Physics_wiz said:
I don't see how this solves the problem.
I don't see why you don't. The identity above, with B'(t) replaced with A(t) (and of course B(t) equal to the integral), is your differential equation, so if you can obtain that result, you have proved that [itex]\phi(t,t_0)[/itex] is a solution.

Physics_wiz said:
I was thinking that I should get something along the lines of an equation with A multiplied by its integral on one side, and the integral of A multiplied by A on the other side and I would say that the two sides are equal only if A and its integral commute.
I haven't really thought about alternative solutions, but I don't think there's any easier way to do this than what I described.
 
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Physics_wiz said:
What do you mean by that? Both B'(t) and B(t) = 0?
Nope. [X,Y] is the commutator of the matrices X and Y, which is defined as XY-YX, so [X,Y]=0 means that X and Y commute.
 
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Fredrik said:
You would probably see this if you try to prove that

[tex]\frac{d}{dt}e^{B(t)}=B'(t)e^{B(t)}[/tex]

using the power series definition of the exponential. You won't be able to without using [B',B]=0

Ahh Yes, I see it now. Thank you so much.
 
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Fredrik said:
You won't be able to without using [B',B]=0 (which by the way is the same as [A,integral of A]=0).

Aside: Isn't [A,integral of A] a stronger statement than [A,A']=0? [A,A'] will be zero so long as [A,integral of A] is a constant of time. The zero matrix is a special case of a constant of time.
 
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