Solve Motional EMF Problem: Total Resistance, V(ind), I(ind), and Fnet Explained

In summary, the conversation is about finding the correct equation for the net force acting on a rod due to an applied force and a back force. After discussing the direction and values of the forces, it is determined that the correct equation is F = iBd + 2λi²m(R+2λx)/B²d².
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SpectraPhy09
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Homework Statement
Two long Horizontal rails, a distance d apart and each having a resistanc λ per unit length are joined one end by a resistance R. A perfectly conducting rod MN of mass m is free to slide along the rails without friction v(I have attached the file for the diagram plz check) . There is a uniform magnetic field of induction B Normal to the plane of the paper and directed into the paper. Variable Force F is applied to the rod MN such that, as the rod moves, a constant current i and flows through R.
(i) Find the applied force F as function of distance x of the rod from R.
Relevant Equations
Force due to a current carrying wire = iBl
Where i = current
B = Magnetic field
L = length of the wire
E.M.F induced due to a rod of length l moving with Velocity V in Magnetic field B = VBl
Its applicable only when V, B and I are mutually perpendicular to each other
I request please go through my solution

Total Resistance = R + 2λx
V(ind) = vBd
I(ind)= vBd/(R + 2λx )
v = i(R + 2λx )/Bd

If force on the wire due to induced current is iBl then
Fnet = iBd - F ...(i)
or Fnet = F - iBd ...(ii)
Fnet = v(dv/dx)
v(dv/dx) = iBd - F

By solving we get
Fnet by (i) is iBd - 2λi²m(R+2λx)/B²d²
(ii)is 2λi²m(R+2λx)/B²d² - iBd

Which one of this is correct ? Or both are correct ? Did I made any mistake in the solution
 
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Hello @SpectraPhy09,
:welcome: ##\qquad## !​

I have attached the file for the diagram please check
I checked -- didn't see a thing !

What I see is two answers, one the opposite of the other ?

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SpectraPhy09 said:
If force on the wire due to induced current is iBl then
Fnet = iBd - F ...(i)
or Fnet = F - iBd ...(ii)

I don't see the file for the diagram that you said you attached. It's not clear in which direction the rod is being pushed.

SpectraPhy09 said:
Fnet = v(dv/dx)
v(dv/dx) = iBd - F

Should the mass of the rod appear somewhere in the equations above?

SpectraPhy09 said:
By solving we get
Fnet by (i) is iBd - 2λi²m(R+2λx)/B²d²
(ii)is 2λi²m(R+2λx)/B²d² - iBd
Do these expressions represent Fnet or the applied force F?
 
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I'm really sorry there's a mistake in my soln
Ya m should appear, i.e Fnet = mv(dv/dx)
mv(dv/dx) = iBd - F
The force Is not Fnet it is the applied Varying force F
i.e. F = iBd - 2λi²m(R+2λx)/B²d². ...(i)
Or. F = 2λi²m(R+2λx)/B²d² - iBd ...(ii)

My doubt was which of the equation among (i) or (ii) is correct ?
Or both are correct ? I have attached the figure please check
 

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SpectraPhy09 said:
mv(dv/dx) = iBd - F
The force Is not Fnet it is the applied Varying force F
i.e. F = iBd - 2λi²m(R+2λx)/B²d². ...(i)
Or. F = 2λi²m(R+2λx)/B²d² - iBd ...(ii)

My doubt was which of the equation among (i) or (ii) is correct ?
Or both are correct ?
Hi @SpectraPhy09. Both equations can't be correct. For example -5 is not equal to +5. In fact neither equation is correct! See if this helps.

We are taking +x as being ’to the right’. And from the question we deduce the rod moves to the right.

In 1-dimension, vectors in the positive direction are represented positive values and vectors in the negative direction by negative values

The applied force, F, acts to the right (given in diagram) so it is represented by a positive value.

As the rod moves right, its (positive) velocity must increase to keep the current constant. (Why?) So the direction of acceleration is to the right. Therefore the direction of the net force is to the right. So the net force is represented by a positive value.

The ‘back-force’ has magnitude = iBd and acts to the left (from Lenz’s law). So we assign it the value -iBd.

We are adding two forces by vector addition:

##\overrightarrow {net force} = \overrightarrow {applied force} + \overrightarrow {back force}##

which in 1-dimension gives
##F_{net} = F + (-iBd)##

Does that make sense?

Neither of your answers:
F = iBd - 2λi²m(R+2λx)/B²d². ...(i)
F = 2λi²m(R+2λx)/B²d² - iBd ...(ii)
are correct. But you are very close!
 
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Oh is there a +ve instead of -ve ..?
F = iBd + 2λi²m(R+2λx)/B²d²
 
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SpectraPhy09 said:
@Steve4Physics
Oh is there a +ve instead of -ve ..?
F = iBd + 2λi²m(R+2λx)/B²d²
Yes, that's what I get too. Well done!
 
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FAQ: Solve Motional EMF Problem: Total Resistance, V(ind), I(ind), and Fnet Explained

1. What is motional EMF and how is it related to total resistance?

Motional EMF is the voltage induced in a conductor when it moves through a magnetic field. It is related to total resistance through the equation V(ind) = IR, where V(ind) is the induced voltage, I is the current, and R is the total resistance.

2. How do you calculate the induced voltage (V(ind)) in a motional EMF problem?

The induced voltage can be calculated using the formula V(ind) = B * L * v, where B is the magnetic field strength, L is the length of the conductor, and v is the velocity of the conductor through the magnetic field.

3. What is the significance of I(ind) in a motional EMF problem?

I(ind) represents the induced current in the conductor due to the motional EMF. It is directly related to the velocity and magnetic field strength, and can be calculated using the equation I(ind) = V(ind) / R.

4. How do you find the net force (Fnet) in a motional EMF problem?

The net force can be calculated using the formula Fnet = I(ind) * L * B, where I(ind) is the induced current, L is the length of the conductor, and B is the magnetic field strength. This force is perpendicular to both the direction of motion and the magnetic field.

5. Can you explain the concept of motional EMF in terms of Faraday's Law?

According to Faraday's Law, a changing magnetic field will induce an electric field. In the case of motional EMF, the conductor moving through the magnetic field creates a changing magnetic flux, which in turn induces an electric field and an induced voltage. This is the basis for the motional EMF phenomenon.

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