Solving a nested logarithmic equation

In summary, the problem involves solving a logarithmic equation using relevant equations (2) and (3) provided. The solutions obtained are x = -1 and x = -2. However, the author states that no solution satisfies the equation and gives x = ∅. This is incorrect as the solution x = -2 satisfies all the conditions outlined in the relevant equations. The author's reasoning is unclear and their solution set is incorrect.
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Homework Statement
Solve for ##x## : ##\boldsymbol{\log_{x^2+x+1}\{\log_{2x^2+3x+5}(x^2+3)\}=0}##
Relevant Equations
1. Given ##\log_b a= x##, we have the requirements that (1) ##a>0##, (2) ##b>0\; \text{and}\; b\ne 1## and (3) that all ##a,b,x \in \mathbb{R}##
2. If ##\log_{f(x)} g(x) = 0\Rightarrow g(x) = 1\;\forall x##
3. If ##\log_{f(x)} g(x) = 1\Rightarrow g(x) = f(x)\;\forall x##
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Problem statement :
Let me copy and paste the problem on the right as it appears in the text.

Solution : Using the Relevant Equations (2) and (3) above, we can claim that

\begin{align*}
&\log_{2x^2+3x+5}(x^2+3)=1\\
&\Rightarrow x^2+3 = 2x^2+3x+5\\
&\Rightarrow x^2+3x+2=0\\
&\Rightarrow (x+1)(x+2)=0\\
&\Rightarrow \underline{x = -1}\quad\text{OR}\quad \underline{x=-2}
&\end{align*}

We have three functions to consider for conditions satisfying positivity, as outlined in Relevant Equations (1) above, for the two (underlined) solutions just obtained.

1. ##x^2+3## : Both solutions satisfy this function being greater than zero.
2. ##2x^2+3x+5## : Likewise, both solutions satisfy the requirement of this "base" function for being greater than zero and not equal to one.
3. ##x^2+x+1## : For ##x=-1##, this function is one, which is invalid. Hence this solution has to be discarded. However, for ##x=-2## this function is greater than zero and not one; so this solution holds good.


Answer : ##\Large{\boxed{x = -2}}. ##

Issue : The author says no answer for ##x## satisfies the logarithmic equation, giving ##x=\varnothing##. I copy and paste his solution below :

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Doubt : Is the author mistaken? Am I? A hint would be most welcome.
 
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Your answer looks fine to me. If x = -1, the outer log is base-1, which we can't have.
If x = -2, we have this:
##\log_{x^2 + x + 1}[\log_{2x^2 + 3x + 5}(x^2 + 3)] = \log_3[\log_7(7)] = \log_3(1) = 0##

I don't following the author's work at all, particularly where he writes ##x \in R## a couple of times, and then concludes that the solution set is empty.
 
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Mark44 said:
Your answer looks fine to me. If x = -1, the outer log is base-1, which we can't have.
If x = -2, we have this:
##\log_{x^2 + x + 1}[\log_{2x^2 + 3x + 5}(x^2 + 3)] = \log_3[\log_7(7)] = \log_3(1) = 0##

I don't following the author's work at all, particularly where he writes ##x \in R## a couple of times, and then concludes that the solution set is empty.
Thank you. Yes I checked my answer too. Matches the conditions. Sorry about the text.
 

FAQ: Solving a nested logarithmic equation

What is a nested logarithmic equation?

A nested logarithmic equation is an equation that contains logarithms within logarithms. For example, an equation like log(log(x)) = y is a nested logarithmic equation because the logarithm function is applied more than once.

How do you approach solving a nested logarithmic equation?

To solve a nested logarithmic equation, you typically start by simplifying the innermost logarithm and then work your way outward. You may need to use properties of logarithms, such as the change of base formula, the product rule, the quotient rule, and the power rule, to simplify the expressions. Sometimes, substituting a variable for a complex logarithmic part can also help in breaking down the problem into more manageable steps.

What are some common properties of logarithms used in solving nested logarithmic equations?

Some common properties of logarithms that are useful in solving nested logarithmic equations include:- log_b(xy) = log_b(x) + log_b(y) (Product Rule)- log_b(x/y) = log_b(x) - log_b(y) (Quotient Rule)- log_b(x^k) = k * log_b(x) (Power Rule)- log_b(a) = log_c(a) / log_c(b) (Change of Base Formula)

Can nested logarithmic equations always be solved algebraically?

No, nested logarithmic equations cannot always be solved algebraically. In some cases, the equations may be too complex or may not have a closed-form solution. In such instances, numerical methods or approximation techniques may be required to find a solution.

What are some common mistakes to avoid when solving nested logarithmic equations?

Common mistakes to avoid include:- Forgetting to check the domain of the logarithmic functions, as logarithms are only defined for positive real numbers.- Incorrectly applying logarithmic properties or rules.- Overlooking extraneous solutions that may arise when exponentiating both sides of an equation.- Neglecting to simplify the equation step-by-step, which can lead to errors and confusion.

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