Solving a second order circuit with phasors

In summary, the question requests that I solve the circuit below for v0(t). I'm solving for the voltage over the inductor. I'm getting a result that's close to what I expect, however I think the phase angle of the voltage is slightly off (some friends of mine said they all got 46°, whereas I am consistantly getting 45.02°). My equations: ix=(16∠45°)/(R)=(16∠45°)/(4E3) = 4E-3∠45°KVL of second loop:0=0.754j(i1+8E-3∠45°)+4E3(4
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The question requests that I solve the circuit below for v0(t). I'm solving for the voltage over the inductor. I'm getting a result that's close to what I expect, however I think the phase angle of the voltage is slightly off (some friends of mine said they all got 46°, whereas I am consistantly getting 45.02°).

My equations:
ix=(16∠45°)/(R)=(16∠45°)/(4E3) = 4E-3∠45°

KVL of second loop:
0=0.754j(i1+8E-3∠45°)+4E3(4E-3∠45°)-53.05j(i1)
i1=0.306∠-44.98°

v0=0.754j(0.306∠-44.98°) = 0.231∠45.02°
v0(t)= 0.231cos(377t+45.02°)V

Image of the circuit:
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EC203 assignment? ahah i got 46.59 degrees as the final angle, don't use KVL, you know at the 4k resistor the voltage is 16<45, all you need to do is apply a KCL at node v0(t) and just solve. your final answer is very close to mine, try my method and I'm sure your answer will be the same as your friends :)
 
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Sorry i just realized you can use your method, you made one mistake, the current through the inductor is i1-2ix
 
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Thanks, I knew one day I would bump into someone doing the same course as me! I'm not sure why I added the currents rather than subtracting them. Weird, and I've redone this one like 3 times haha.
 
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haha :) My final answer was 2.30<46.59 volts, i don't think a little difference would matter much :) how did you go on the rest of the assignment?

but... I'm pretty sure my answer is off a bit, the angle should be 46.59 - 180... due to it being in the 3rd quadrant.. so my angle would be -133.41... what was your final answer?

*i made a few mistakes in the comments aha.
 
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How can you tell the answer is in the third quadrant? I'm redoing the question now, I'll edit this comment as I complete it.

EDIT: I now get an even more incorrect result: 0.231∠44.98°
Redoing the same calculations on my calculator now gives: 0.231∠45°. *facepalm.jpg*
 
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i re did mine and got 0.231<-133.4 degrees or something around their,

your answer is rectangle form should be -0.158 - j0.167. because both terms are negative it lies in the third quadrant, so you have to subtract Pi radians or 180 degrees, and that is the answer,
 
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I think I might just grab my previous answer and run with it/ switch it to the third quadrant, rather than going over this question again and again.

Just to check results from other questions:
4. RTH=3Ω, Max Power = 3 Watts
5. IO=1.301∠-77.47° (this one I converted the current source to a voltage source to reduce the circuit)

Thanks, don't know anybody in the course really well, it's awesome to have someone to bounce ideas off XD
 
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just use KCL, it's pretty straight forward if you do it like that

And yeah i got the same results for 4 & 5. have you done 6 yet?
 
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Just completed it, I got VS=0.252∠165.04°
 
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i got 9.4j - 18.36 volts :S how'd did you do it?
 
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I made the relationships with the transformers first.
Image of the work:
IMG_20120522_162949.jpg


And then did 3 KVL's for the last three loops. I just looked at my work though and I think I made an incorrect relationship with the current of the source loop.

Just to make it less confusing i1 is the current of the loop to the right of the first transformer and the I1 is the current given.
 
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why are you multiplying the voltages by the currents? :S
 
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Good freaking question, zomg, my mind is empty atm. Lol
 
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haha :P this one was probably the longest, just write all 4 kvl's, because they are ideal the only purpose of the dots is to show the relationship between the transformer voltages and currents, so if you start from the right mesh you can work your way to the left and solve Vs, takes time but eh, look at the lecture notes he solved a really similar problem :)
 
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I did 4 KVL's and a KCL (because I couldn't find a relationship with the source current).
The KCL is the middle node of the, between the transformers.

Got the same result. Yeh I saw him solve the similar one, just brain farted and started multiplying voltages and currents to get voltages lol.

Thanks for the help! I bet I would have spent ages looking at that thinking there was nothing wrong, lol.
 
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No need for the KCL, if all currents are going clockwise, you can say I2 = 4<0 + I3, i'll post up my results when i get home if you like?

and have you done Q7, i only have that to do and I'm not sure if my transfer function is right, my numbers are ridiculous haha.
 

Related to Solving a second order circuit with phasors

1. How do you convert a second order circuit to phasor form?

To convert a second order circuit to phasor form, you will need to use the Laplace transform. This involves replacing all the circuit components (resistors, capacitors, and inductors) with their corresponding impedances (R, 1/jωC, and jωL respectively) and then solving for the phasor voltage and current using the Laplace transform equations.

2. What is the purpose of using phasors in solving second order circuits?

Phasors are used in solving second order circuits because they can simplify the complex equations involved in analyzing circuits with time-varying signals. By converting the circuit to phasor form, we can analyze the behavior of the circuit at a specific frequency, making it easier to understand and design.

3. Can you solve a second order circuit using only phasors?

Yes, it is possible to solve a second order circuit using only phasors. However, you will need to convert the circuit to phasor form first using the Laplace transform. Once in phasor form, you can use phasor algebra to solve for the phasor voltage and current at a specific frequency.

4. What is the difference between solving a second order circuit with phasors and solving it using differential equations?

The main difference between solving a second order circuit with phasors and using differential equations is the complexity of the equations involved. Phasor analysis simplifies the equations and allows us to focus on the behavior of the circuit at a specific frequency, whereas using differential equations involves solving for the circuit's behavior at all frequencies.

5. How do you deal with initial conditions when solving a second order circuit with phasors?

To deal with initial conditions when solving a second order circuit with phasors, you will need to use the initial value theorem. This involves taking the inverse Laplace transform of the phasor solution and then using the initial condition values to determine the constants of integration in the time-domain solution.

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