Solving a Second Order ODE with V(t) = -Q/C

In summary, the conversation discusses solving a second order ODE with a particular integral, but the given solution does not have the expected form. It is then realized that the system is in a steady state with V(t) set to 0 at t=0, changing the original RHS to zero. This means that no particular solution is needed and the solution without the particular integral is correct.
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Homework Statement



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Question and part 1 as above. The second part involves solving this equation where [tex]L = 8R^2 C[/tex]. The system is kept in steady state by maintaining V(t) = -Q/C (constant). V(t) is then set to 0 at t=0.

It also says "Note that V(t)=0 for t>0 and that appropriate initial conditions
at (or just after) t=0 are that q=Q and dq/dt= −Q/CR."

The Attempt at a Solution



The first part is just very tedious math, but I managed to get it.

The second part is just a second order ODE, but I am unable to get the answer which is

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Given the differential equation above, and substituting V = -Q/C, dV/dt = 0, the right hand side becomes a constant. This means that there is a particular integral (q = k = Q), but the answer does not have the form q = Q +... !

I did it a few times but keep getting back to the same problem. However, if I do attempt a solution that omits the particular integral, I do get the answer needed. Why is this the case?
 
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Hi bigevil! :smile:

Yes, the given solution for q is a "general" solution for the original equation, and should have a Q added to it, but
bigevil said:
The system is kept in steady state by maintaining V(t) = -Q/C (constant). V(t) is then set to 0 at t=0.

It also says "Note that V(t)=0 for t>0 and that appropriate initial conditions
at (or just after) t=0 are that q=Q and dq/dt= −Q/CR."

I don't completely understand what's going on here, but it seems to be changing the original RHS to zero (instead of Q/LC), so no particular solution is needed …

(perhaps they're charging the capacitor using the battery until t = 0, and then turning the battery off?)

does that make any sense? :redface:
 
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Yes, I think so, tim, thanks =)
 

FAQ: Solving a Second Order ODE with V(t) = -Q/C

What is a second order ODE?

A second order ordinary differential equation (ODE) is a mathematical equation that describes the relationship between a function and its derivatives. It contains a second derivative of the function, which is a mathematical expression representing the rate of change of the function.

What is V(t) = -Q/C?

V(t) = -Q/C is a representation of the voltage across a capacitor in an electrical circuit. V(t) represents the voltage at a specific time, Q is the charge stored in the capacitor, and C is the capacitance of the capacitor.

How do you solve a second order ODE with V(t) = -Q/C?

To solve a second order ODE with V(t) = -Q/C, you can use the method of undetermined coefficients or the method of variation of parameters. Both methods involve finding a particular solution and a complementary solution, and then combining them to get the general solution.

What is the significance of solving a second order ODE with V(t) = -Q/C?

Solving a second order ODE with V(t) = -Q/C can help in understanding the behavior of an electrical circuit with a capacitor. It can also be used to determine the voltage across the capacitor at any given time, which is important in practical applications such as designing electronic devices.

What are some real-life examples that use second order ODE with V(t) = -Q/C?

Some real-life examples that use second order ODE with V(t) = -Q/C include electronic devices such as radios, televisions, and computers, as well as car engines and air conditioning systems. These systems involve capacitors that store energy and require the use of second order ODEs to model their behavior.

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