Solving Poisson-Boltzmann equation in Cylindrical and Spherical Coordinates

In summary, the conversation discusses the process of solving an equation from first principles and the use of cylindrical or spherical coordinates. The suggested method involves assuming a solution of a specific form and rearranging the equation until one side only depends on one variable, implying it is a constant. Boundary conditions are also mentioned as a necessary component of the solution.
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Homework Statement



I don't have a specific problem in mind, it's more that I forgot how to solve the particular equation from first principles.

[itex]\nabla^{2} \Phi = k^{2}\Phi[/itex]

Places I've looked so far have just quoted the results but I would like the complete method or the appropriate substitution.


Homework Equations



The relevant equations would be the definition of the Laplacian operator in cylindrical or spherical coordinates.



The Attempt at a Solution



My attempt was to sub in

[itex]\Phi = r^a \times exp(br) [/itex]

and solve for a and b, but I got both a and b equal to plus and minus 1 without a way to eliminate the postitive a solution.
 
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Well, the usual 'first principles' way would be to assume a solution of the form ##\Phi(\mathbf{r}) = A(\rho)B(\phi)C(z)## in cylindrical coordinates or ##\Phi(\mathbf{r}) = R(r)\Theta(\theta)G(\phi)## in spherical coordinates. If you then divide the entire equation by ##\Phi## again, you can rearrange terms until one side of the equation depends only on one of the three variables, implying it must be a constant, which the other side of the equation is then also equal to.

For a very simple example, say you had the 2d problem ##\nabla^2 \Phi(x,y) = 0##, and you let ##\Phi(x,y) = X(x)Y(y)##. Plugging this in and dividing by ##\Phi## again gives ##\partial_x X(x)/X(x) + \partial_y Y(y)/Y(y) = 0##, or ##\partial_x X(x)/X(x) = -\partial_y Y(y)/Y(y)##, and hence it must be the case that ##\partial_x X(x)/X(x) = k## and ##-\partial_y Y(y)/Y(y) = k##, where k is some constant (not your equation's k, in this example!).

Also, keep in mind you will need some boundary conditions for the problem. Based on your boundary conditions, you may be able to argue that the solution should be spherically or cylindrically symmetric, so you can through out the angular or height dependences, but if you want an absolutely generally solution, you have to keep those terms as you could have boundaries conditions which vary with angle or height.
 
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FAQ: Solving Poisson-Boltzmann equation in Cylindrical and Spherical Coordinates

1. What is the Poisson-Boltzmann equation?

The Poisson-Boltzmann equation is a mathematical equation used to describe the electrostatic potential of a system containing charged particles in a solvent. It takes into account the interactions between the particles and the solvent, and is commonly used in the study of biological systems such as proteins and membranes.

2. How is the Poisson-Boltzmann equation solved in cylindrical and spherical coordinates?

In cylindrical coordinates, the Poisson-Boltzmann equation is solved using a finite difference method, which approximates the equation using discrete points on a grid. In spherical coordinates, it can be solved using a boundary element method, which involves solving a system of linear equations based on the boundary conditions of the system.

3. What are the advantages of using cylindrical and spherical coordinates to solve the Poisson-Boltzmann equation?

Using cylindrical and spherical coordinates can simplify the mathematical form of the Poisson-Boltzmann equation, making it easier to solve. Additionally, these coordinates are often better suited for describing systems with cylindrical or spherical symmetry, such as biological molecules.

4. What are some applications of solving the Poisson-Boltzmann equation in cylindrical and spherical coordinates?

The Poisson-Boltzmann equation is commonly used in the study of biological systems, such as understanding the interactions between proteins and their surrounding environment. It is also used in materials science to model the behavior of charged particles in a solvent, and in electrochemistry to understand the behavior of ions in a solution.

5. Are there any limitations to solving the Poisson-Boltzmann equation in cylindrical and spherical coordinates?

Solving the Poisson-Boltzmann equation in cylindrical and spherical coordinates can be computationally intensive and may require specialized software or coding skills. Additionally, these coordinates may not be applicable for systems that do not exhibit cylindrical or spherical symmetry, and alternative methods may need to be used.

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