Solving Sin(x) Equation with ln(y), exp(y), and a Constant k

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In summary, the equation sin(x) = ln(y) + (y^2)/2 + k cannot be algebraically solved for y. The method of solving xe^x=y using the Lambert's W function does not apply in this case. Generally, when a variable is present both inside and outside a transcendental function, it is not possible to isolate that variable algebraically.
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Ive got the equation: sin(x) = ln(y) + (y^2)/2 + k

The k is a constant from an earlier integration. How do I isolate y? What makes it hard for me is that if i want to get rid of ln() i need to use exp() but then the other y is in exp() and if i want to get rid of that, the first y is in ln() again.

Sorry, for the bad english =) I hope you can help.
 
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I'm afraid it's not possible to isolate y algebraically.

Taking the exponential of both sides: [tex]y=e^{sinx-\frac{y^2}{2}-k}=\frac{e^{sinx-k}}{e^{\frac{y^2}{2}}}[/tex]

So now you have: [tex]ye^{\frac{y^2}{2}}=e^{sinx-k}[/tex]

There is some method to solving for x in: [itex]xe^x=y[/itex]
but the name of it has slipped my mind and whether it can be adapted to solve for y in your problem I'm unsure of as well. Hopefully someone else can help you with this.
 
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Generally speaking, when you have a variable both "inside" and "outside" a transcendental function, there is no algebraic way to isolate that variable.

The "method of solving [itex]xe^x= y[/itex]" is "Lambert's W function" which is defined as the inverse function to [itex]xe^x[/itex]. That is, [itex]W(xe^x)= x[/itex] so [itex]W(xe^x)= W(y)[/itex] and [itex]x= W(y)[/itex].
 

FAQ: Solving Sin(x) Equation with ln(y), exp(y), and a Constant k

What is the general form of the equation?

The general form of the equation is sin(x) = ln(y) + exp(y) + k, where x is the variable, y is the unknown quantity, and k is a constant.

What is the purpose of using ln(y) and exp(y) in the equation?

The purpose of using ln(y) and exp(y) is to introduce logarithmic and exponential functions into the equation, which can help to simplify the problem and make it easier to solve.

How do I solve for y in this equation?

To solve for y, you can use algebraic techniques such as isolating the variable, combining like terms, and using the properties of logarithmic and exponential functions. You may also need to use a graphing calculator or numerical methods to find an approximate solution.

Are there any restrictions on the values of x and y in this equation?

Yes, there are restrictions on the values of x and y. Since the sine function has a range of -1 to 1, the value of ln(y) + exp(y) + k must also fall within this range. Additionally, ln(y) and exp(y) must have positive values, so y cannot be equal to or less than 0.

Can this equation have multiple solutions?

Yes, this equation can have multiple solutions. Since the sine function is periodic, there will be an infinite number of solutions for x. Additionally, the equation may have multiple solutions for y depending on the value of k and the initial conditions of the problem.

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